Can Utah Save America?

[Phil1111 1,260]

Several politicians in Utah have stood tall subsequent to the Kirk shooting by calling for calm. Furthermore they are republicans.

"Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah built a political brand as the Republican antidote for an age of anger, imploring a divided United States to “disagree better” through civil discussions and bridge-building service projects....Mr. Cox walked in front of the television cameras to make his highest-profile plea to date against the rising tide of political violence that had just crashed into his backyard....

several leaders in Utah echoed Mr. Cox’s appeal to tamp down the overheated political rhetoric, reflecting the state’s self-image as a bastion of a kinder, gentler conservatism. Former Gov. Gary Herbert, whom Mr. Cox served as lieutenant governor, said he hoped the moment would serve as a “wake-up call.”

“We should not get so angry that we feel like we have to win the argument or kill them,” said Mr. Herbert, who also made compromise a key tenet of his term and now runs an institute at Utah Valley University — the same college where Mr. Kirk was killed — that teaches young people about moral character in politics.'

Compare this with FOX a broadcaster who cheered for hours when a CNBC commentator was fired for his truthful comments about Kirk's character and political position.

FOX went on:“They are at war with us, whether we want to accept it or not,” Jesse Watters, the right-wing Fox News commentator, said on his broadcast on Wednesday. He added that “we are going to avenge Charlie’s death in the way that Charlie wanted to be avenged.” Echoing Trump's calls for vengeance and retribution for the killing.

Not only are they moderating voices but undoubtedly Christian as well this being Utah after all.

It will take more than Mr Cox to restore calm but perhaps hope is out there.

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[JerryBaumchen 1,486]

5 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Several politicians in Utah have stood tall subsequent to the Kirk shooting by calling for calm. Furthermore they are republicans.

"Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah built a political brand as the Republican antidote for an age of anger, imploring a divided United States to “disagree better” through civil discussions and bridge-building service projects....Mr. Cox walked in front of the television cameras to make his highest-profile plea to date against the rising tide of political violence that had just crashed into his backyard....

several leaders in Utah echoed Mr. Cox’s appeal to tamp down the overheated political rhetoric, reflecting the state’s self-image as a bastion of a kinder, gentler conservatism. Former Gov. Gary Herbert, whom Mr. Cox served as lieutenant governor, said he hoped the moment would serve as a “wake-up call.”

“We should not get so angry that we feel like we have to win the argument or kill them,” said Mr. Herbert, who also made compromise a key tenet of his term and now runs an institute at Utah Valley University — the same college where Mr. Kirk was killed — that teaches young people about moral character in politics.'

Compare this with FOX a broadcaster who cheered for hours when a CNBC commentator was fired for his truthful comments about Kirk's character and political position.

FOX went on:“They are at war with us, whether we want to accept it or not,” Jesse Watters, the right-wing Fox News commentator, said on his broadcast on Wednesday. He added that “we are going to avenge Charlie’s death in the way that Charlie wanted to be avenged.” Echoing Trump's calls for vengeance and retribution for the killing.

It will take more than Mr Cox to restore calm but perhaps hope is out there.

Hi Phil,

And, even more craziness:  Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.) circulated a letter Thursday calling on House Speaker Mike Johnson to install a statue for Charlie Kirk . . . in the U.S. Capitol. 

And, of course this:  Trump to award Charlie Kirk Medal of Freedom

Jerry Baumchen

[JerryBaumchen 1,486]

Hi folks,

And, a sliver of sanity:  the president himself engages in it

Thomas Massie urges Donald Trump to soften rhetoric after Charlie Kirk shooting

Jerry Baumchen

[Phil1111 1,260]

6 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Phil,

And, even more craziness:  Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.) circulated a letter Thursday calling on House Speaker Mike Johnson to install a statue for Charlie Kirk . . . in the U.S. Capitol. 

And, of course this:  Trump to award Charlie Kirk Medal of Freedom

Jerry Baumchen

Thats the start his statue will stand next to the January 6th freedom fighters. A US news service just showed a clip whereby between 10-12 FOX news personalities all labelled the "assassination" as "acts of war". All in turn demanding action to respond to the war.

Moderates like these Utah republicans need help. Hopefully the major news services can latch onto them.

[David Wang 78]

Regardless of party, anyone who dehumanizes political opponents is extremely dangerous. This is the mindset that fuels shootings, assassinations and wars (eventually).

[billvon 3,169]

1 hour ago, David Wang said:

Regardless of party, anyone who dehumanizes political opponents is extremely dangerous. 

Agreed.  That sort of mindset leads to assassinations - of people like Heather Heyer, Melissa Hortman, Mark Hortman and Charlie Kirk.

[richravizza 30]

1 hour ago, David Wang said:

Regardless of party, anyone who dehumanizes political opponents is extremely dangerous. This is the mindset that fuels shootings, assassinations and wars (eventually).

 Whom are societies oppressors. Who were labeled white supremacist,fascists that support the modern Dictator.The dregs,a basket of deplorable.

I submitted for review on the woke thread wondering if you've read it. Wondering if it could be contributing to the mass delusions.

    https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/Instructing-Animosity_11.13.24.pdf

 

[JoeWeber 3,019]

Just now, David Wang said:

Regardless of party, anyone who dehumanizes political opponents is extremely dangerous. This is the mindset that fuels shootings, assassinations and wars (eventually).

Is it dehumanizing to call a dehumanizing asshole an asshole? In this instance some of we extremist liberal individual rights mongers aren't doing the dehumanizing. We are simply observing that when folks who think occasional assassinations are a part of a healthy society get assassinated, as a direct consequence of their being dehumanizing assholes, it's not evidence of a topsy turvy world. 

[richravizza 30]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Is it dehumanizing to call a dehumanizing asshole an asshole? In this instance some of we extremist liberal individual rights mongers aren't doing the dehumanizing. We are simply observing that when folks who think occasional assassinations are a part of a healthy society get assassinated, as a direct consequence of their being dehumanizing assholes, it's not evidence of a topsy turvy world. 

  Topsy Turvy definitely not. 

 Where better than a Free speech campus for an assassination. As armed security,and the bill is now irrelevant.It's a good thing, the dehumanizing assholes  only have a hateful message, says Mr.Smith. 

While a quote of Charlie Kirk saying "assassination is healthy" does not appear in the search results, it's possible this query is a misinterpretation or a misstatement based on news events related to political violence in September 2025. 

  Speech is violence,and requires the appropriate response and assholes deserve a bullet in the neck.Where hatred is objective.Wrong Think is not tolerated and differing opinion should just stfu or face the wrath of the righteous type B histrionics.  Please keep typing, ay greif hasn't left me,as my rage needs an outlet. Please oblige us in your healthy thinking...

Perhaps Here and the University is inappropriate for free speech and debates, with assholes.

 

Carry on Sir.

Edited September 12 by richravizza
Tune

[jakee 1,643]

8 hours ago, richravizza said:

Please keep typing, ay greif hasn't left me,as my rage needs an outlet.

Why do you care so much about shithead getting shot?

[Phil1111 1,260]

Yet other voices of moderation.

“We may disagree on policy, but we are united in our belief in the value of life, civil discourse and mutual respect,” wrote Kenneth Naylor, the chairman of the young Republicans group in Rhode Island. “Let us honor Charlie’s memory by working together to create a safer and more compassionate political culture.”

"sports commentators like Pat McAfee,...Mr. McAfee went on to say, “I hope that to our entire society, like, ‘Yo, you can disagree with people, you can disagree with people, and you don’t have to hate them or have disdain for them forever.”...

On Instagram, Cenk Uygur, a well-known progressive activist, echoed that sentiment, calling on partisans to “stop spreading hatred and let’s start spreading empathy.”

Yet Trump and his inner circle keep spreading the gasoline. The aforementioned voices are the leaders not the demonizing, enemy labelling activists and politicians.

[billvon 3,169]

9 hours ago, jakee said:

Why do you care so much about shithead getting shot?

Don't worry.  Once he finds out that the shooter was an right leaning anti-gay malcontent, he will care much less.

[nigel99 680]

4 hours ago, billvon said:

Don't worry.  Once he finds out that the shooter was a right leaning anti-gay malcontent, he will care much less.

Just another school shooting, wasn’t even the only one that day

[wmw999 2,638]

A friend of mine from high school (definitely not Mormon) has lived in Utah for many years; she and her husband just retired, and definitely plan to stay. She said Utahns are wonderful neighbors, and Utah as a state has the highest volunteerism rate in the country (and not just church members serving church members).

So there’s that.

Wendy P. 

[Phil1111 1,260]

54 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

A friend of mine from high school (definitely not Mormon) has lived in Utah for many years; she and her husband just retired, and definitely plan to stay. She said Utahns are wonderful neighbors, and Utah as a state has the highest volunteerism rate in the country (and not just church members serving church members).

So there’s that.

Wendy P. 

I agree. Utah is the last remaining bastion of real Christians. 

[richravizza 30]

On 9/12/2025 at 1:00 AM, jakee said:

Why do you care so much about shithead getting shot?

Are you referring to Charlie Kirk?

You don't even know what you say, you don't even realize who your speaking of,  you poor thing... were you taught Charlie was a hatfull fascist. Bella ciao, for the resistance.

 I know you don't like videos Buck is both trans sexual and had a porn career.Charlie asked for a debate/interview and Buck obliged,I don't want to give it away, but Buck ended up doing a total of three debates. So Buck and l'll just chuckle,when we call a friend  shit head. lol

 

Ironic Charlie was once asked if he were gone, what would he want to be remembered for he said courage,courage in his faith.

[richravizza 30]

On 9/12/2025 at 10:58 AM, billvon said:

Don't worry.  Once he finds out that the shooter was an right leaning anti-gay malcontent, he will care much less.

I care more than you know,and this incident just shaved a couple points off the left for years to come. It's quite apparent to the modern world, fascism doesn't tolerate dissenting voices. 

All it took was two semesters,some furry friends and a mass psychosis that yahtzees and fascist are everywhere..they are easy to find, they think differently.  

[richravizza 30]

On 9/11/2025 at 1:47 PM, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Phil,

And, even more craziness:  Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.) circulated a letter Thursday calling on House Speaker Mike Johnson to install a statue for Charlie Kirk . . . in the U.S. Capitol. 

And, of course this:  Trump to award Charlie Kirk Medal of Freedom

Jerry Baumchen

There are tributes to the man all around the world,in the words of a general,"We have awakened a sleeping giant."

Crazy a man that sacrificed his life for free speech on a college campus,how ridiculous,because it's not your message,get used to it, we've just begun.His widow has a message for you and I'll treat you to a song.

 "They killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith and of God's merciful love. But they should all know this. If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea," she said. "You have no idea what you just have unleashed across this entire country."

If heaven's got a window I hope you're looking down.

Edited September 14 by richravizza

[richravizza 30]

On 9/12/2025 at 6:22 AM, Phil1111 said:

Yet other voices of moderation.

“We may disagree on policy, but we are united in our belief in the value of life, civil discourse and mutual respect,” wrote Kenneth Naylor, the chairman of the young Republicans group in Rhode Island. “Let us honor Charlie’s memory by working together to create a safer and more compassionate political culture.”

"sports commentators like Pat McAfee,...Mr. McAfee went on to say, “I hope that to our entire society, like, ‘Yo, you can disagree with people, you can disagree with people, and you don’t have to hate them or have disdain for them forever.”...

On Instagram, Cenk Uygur, a well-known progressive activist, echoed that sentiment, calling on partisans to “stop spreading hatred and let’s start spreading empathy.”

Yet Trump and his inner circle keep spreading the gasoline. The aforementioned voices are the leaders not the demonizing, enemy labelling activists and politicians.

Phill our rot starts in academia the response to 10/7 shb warning to the rot within,it's our fifth column, ours.

Cenk been spreading his hatred for years,he crashed out when Piers Morgan and Dave Rubin debated his headlines and  the zombie lies behind them.He never mea culpa or said he would remove the zombies,so we have to an eye on his hateful rhetoric . as stupid is,as stupid does.He's been wrong before.

 Phill this particular assassination is an attack on the Creed of this Nation,An attack on our most sacred of principles. Charlie wasn't a politician, he tried to have debates that weren't allowed inside the institutions, he brought those ideas outside into the sunlight. for us to see what is true, true in a real world.

 The reaction of the leftiods over his assassination has been another truly grotesque moment just to prove how disgusting they are. A review of the modern snuff film,even Mr.Stephen King gave it a thumbs up.

[richravizza 30]

On 9/11/2025 at 1:38 PM, Phil1111 said:

Compare this with FOX a broadcaster who cheered for hours when a CNBC commentator was fired for his truthful comments about Kirk's character and political position.

Was that hatful thoughts lead to hateful word that lead to hateful thing happening,Or the acurite phrase live by the sword Die by it?

[jakee 1,643]

4 hours ago, richravizza said:

were you taught Charlie was a hatfull fascist.

Yeah… by Charlie.

4 hours ago, richravizza said:

So Buck and l'll just chuckle,when we call a friend  shit head. lol

Ironic Charlie was once asked if he were gone, what would he want to be remembered for he said courage,courage in his faith.

That is ironic, since intellectual cowardice is probably his greatest hallmark. As above, shithead spreads a virulently anti trans message in public but is presumably quite different in private.

[jakee 1,643]

3 hours ago, richravizza said:

 "They killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith and of God's merciful love.

Remember that shithead thought kids should be forced to watch public executions. I mean come on man, spreading god’s merciful love? This is a supposedly devout Christian who read the bible and ended up rooting for the Romans.

2 hours ago, richravizza said:

Phill this particular assassination is an attack on the Creed of this Nation,An attack on our most sacred of principles.

Ironic, given that shithead was a traitor who helped organise a literal attack on the nation on Jan 6.

[Phil1111 1,260]

6 hours ago, richravizza said:

Phill our rot starts in academia the response to 10/7 shb warning to the rot within,it's our fifth column, ours.....

You're so deep in the warrens it hard to believe you can get online. Academia tries to warn about the spread of hate. 

In the EU, Kirk would have been locked up in jail, in Canada locked up in jail. Australia locked up in jail. Current polls in Israel state that the current government would be out of power if an election was held today. Only with Trump's support does the indicted war criminal Netanyahu continue his crimes.

Its Trump's fault that 10/7 even occurred. Trump and Netanyahu want to profit off Gaza. Trump has publicly stated that as a business plan. 

[Phil1111 1,260]

6 hours ago, richravizza said:

...Phill this particular assassination is an attack on the Creed of this Nation,An attack on our most sacred of principles. Charlie wasn't a politician, he tried to have debates that weren't allowed inside the institutions, he brought those ideas outside into the sunlight. for us to see what is true, true in a real world.....

Kirk was a monetizer of hate. He bred hate through his actions and converted that hate into cash for his business, for his wife's business. You're right wing news feeds are all fucked up about Kirk, Israel, Jews and the facts. As usual of course.

"In fall 2023, after Hamas attacked Israel, Kirk said on different episodes of his podcast "The Charlie Kirk Show" that "Jewish dollars" were funding Marxist ideas in education and policy and contributing to opening the borders. essentially Charlie Kirk stated that  Jewish money was ruining U.S. culture."

Now Trump and Kirk couldn't get closer to "Jewish money".

[richravizza 30]

9 hours ago, jakee said:

Yeah… by Charlie.

That is ironic, since intellectual cowardice is probably his greatest hallmark. As above, shithead spreads a virulently anti trans message in public but is presumably quite different in private.

So what better way to squash the very principles of the western canon,free speech and open debate,what's the point in finding common ground? The squish requires irony alright, Cowardice must be another word the left has co-oped to mean the opposite Like Fascism,catch! 

I am Charlie,We are Charlie, look around the world the World from GB,Korea France Italy.Charlie even got a Maori Haka.

 The Anti Racist, Anti fascist academic cult made a martyr of the man and  ... The story will never end.The Left's and Academia lust for false virtue to be the angles has taught a generation to hold hate as speech.

Just so you know,We think everyone is beautiful just the way they are,and encourage them to explore and find the underlying issues causing one dysphoria,gender distress. Once your mind is fully developed and you actually know who and what you want to be, then as an adult have at it.But implying to a developing mind that acceptance in a society is an end all, That Race and gender identity, sexual preference and societal acceptance is life's ambition the end,misses the mark by a long shot.