Violent Left Extremists

[jakee 1,625]

6 minutes ago, base698 said:

I'm literally just trying to count it, today. I omitted it by accident and then added it.  If I find any other ones I'll also add them.  I posted the stats above.  More targeted incidents on the left, that result in fewer casualties over all. 

The El Paso shooting and Charlotteville skew it worse, in number of injuries/deaths, for right leaning incidents.  The raw number of incidents is higher for the left.

So why are you knowingly posting hastily compiled, incomplete, biased data and pretending it means something?

Is it because you're worried that if you waited until you'd actually had a complete data set that it wouldn't support your point anymore? Sure seems that way, doesn't it?

10 minutes ago, base698 said:

Don't really care, just trying to get all the data in one place.  I have it in a dataframe if you want it!

Lol, it's clear to anyone reading this thread that getting data isn't 'just' what you're trying to do.

If you don't care about online comments in response to violence, how do you explain your opening paragraphs in this whole thread? How do you explain posting this link? 

https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1966064272552906996?ref_url=

You sure cared enough to spend time researching and writing all of that instead of making any effort to check whether your 'data' was remotely accurate. Or did you literally mean you don't really care about Republican celebration of political violence, you only care when the left does it?

[Phil1111 1,241]

11 minutes ago, jakee said:

Not really sure how you've managed to miss it but the ideology in question according to Base698 is 'the left'. Like... all of it...

"Representative Derrick Van Orden of Wisconsin, standing in front of a circle of reporters, directly blamed Democrats and the news media for Kirk’s shooting,...

Representative Nancy Mace of South Carolina said  “People need to be responsible for themselves, that’s what this is about,” she said, adding: “I hope and pray that we bring the death penalty back and whomever did this gets a swift justice and a bullet to the head just like Charlie did.”

MAGA republicans milking it for all its worth.

Edited Thursday at 04:18 PM by Phil1111

[jakee 1,625]

1 minute ago, Phil1111 said:

"Representative Derrick Van Orden of Wisconsin, standing in front of a circle of reporters, directly blamed Democrats and the news media for Kirk’s shooting,...

Representative Nancy Mace of South Carolina said  “People need to be responsible for themselves, that’s what this is about,” she said, adding: “I hope and pray that we bring the death penalty back and whomever did this gets a swift justice and a bullet to the head just like Charlie did.”

Right, Democrats need to be responsible for the words they say because they definitely cause violence. But don't you dare say that any of the words Charlie Kirk said might have played a part in provoking that violence, and you should be fired if you do.

[Phil1111 1,241]

15 minutes ago, jakee said:

Right, Democrats need to be responsible for the words they say because they definitely cause violence. But don't you dare say that any of the words Charlie Kirk said might have played a part in provoking that violence, and you should be fired if you do.

Republicans are the party of personable responsibility. So its not the rhetoric of Trump, Patel, Vance, GOP senators, etc. Its "Violent Left Extremists" of the democrat party. Never missing a chance to pour gas on a fire or score points.

Its not the transgender military ban as directed by Trump or the decades of service to the US armed forces by those same people. Its what Christ would want and what Trump's USSC dictates as now lawful, just.

Charlie Kirk's racist and divisive rhetoric s now rewarded by republicans.  President Trump said on Thursday that he will award Charlie Kirk a posthumous Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor in the United States, at a ceremony in the days ahead. How did I see that coming?

Edited Thursday at 04:39 PM by Phil1111

[base698 20]

23 minutes ago, jakee said:

So why are you knowingly posting hastily compiled, incomplete, biased data and pretending it means something?

So that you can bring your own hastily compiled data and maybe averaging both data we get less hastily compile data.  Do you even online bro?  I'm updating it, I'm not saying, hey here is the full version and it's the gospel of all incidents.  I was hoping to source more data.

The narrative in righty land is that leftists are all violent extremists.  When the leftists aren't literally shooting people and rioting they are ready to kill anyone for speaking ill of a tranny, like JK Rowling.  

The narrative in leftie land is that right wing extremists are constantly planning a fascist take over and genocide of .... protected group.  

I was evaluating the root data for both of those claims as well as seeing if there is some real escalation going on.  I LEARNED SOME THINGS.  Is that not what you are here for?  Are you infallible with a full memorization of all the statistics?  Do you even check your beliefs?

Some general things that seem to be apparent:

The reporting underrepresents lefty political attacks in general.  They do things like including gang violence and Islamic attacks as right wing extremism in reports about it.  Both sets of attacks that have obviously mentally ill people that did not even stand trial due to their mental state and ones that probably fall into that category that were killed during the incident.

It does seem to be the case that right leaning attacks lead to more fatalities and left leaning ones are more targeted.  I will not be moving into a bunker.  Yet.

31 minutes ago, jakee said:

You sure cared enough to spend time researching and writing all of that instead of making any effort to check whether your 'data' was remotely accurate.

I don't know how you can say that since I've revised it 7-10 times.

28 minutes ago, jakee said:

If you don't care about online comments in response to violence, how do you explain your opening paragraphs in this whole thread? How do you explain posting this link? 

A full explanation is that I care a little bit (I posted that in response to another graphic on the site).  BOTH SIDES HAVE BOTS.  I give greater weight to people I know and have met in real life (Billvon once in like 2002, 2000 or something) so if he said something justifying violence I'd be like, here is an actual leftist saying some crazy violent rhetoric, not saying he has any such views.  In another forum I frequent with people I know in person, there was high support of Luigi, so I give that a lot of weight.  A much smaller set of people I actually know are cheering on Kirk killer, but I have seen a couple.

I try to assume the text screenshots are bots or something that approaches bots.  In the case above I posted it because I'd seen some others.  TikTok videos I give a little more weight since it's still likely to be a real person.  

[jakee 1,625]

1 hour ago, base698 said:

So that you can bring your own hastily compiled data and maybe averaging both data we get less hastily compile data.  Do you even online bro?  I'm updating it, I'm not saying, hey here is the full version and it's the gospel of all incidents.  I was hoping to source more data.

Nah bro, that's not it. We know that's not it because you led with your conclusion as fact, and you didn't ask for more data. Look at the very first sentence of this thread, bro. "The left are the ones assassinating their opponents like modern Bolsheviks." Don't you think you should retract that statement because it was purely based on what you knew was incomplete and biased data?

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The narrative in righty land is that leftists are all violent extremists.

That's your narrative. That's the narrative you started this thread with. If you now claim your purpose is to find out whether or not it is true then why did you start by proclaiming it to be true?

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I don't know how you can say that since I've revised it 7-10 times.

I can say that because you had already drawn your conclusions from the data set that was so obviously deficient you've already had to revise it ten times in the space of an hour or two. You cared more about decrying comments from random online lefties than you did about doing the most basic due diligence on your data. 

1 hour ago, base698 said:

A full explanation is that I care a little bit (I posted that in response to another graphic on the site).  BOTH SIDES HAVE BOTS.  I give greater weight to people I know and have met in real life

But you weren;t posting about anyone you know in real life. You thought a bunch of anonymous online accounts that might be bots was worth posting about multiple times, so why is an actual real life Republican Senator not worth posting about? Do you care at all about elected public figures laughing about political assassinations, or do you not care about it one bit? Not even enough to take two seconds to acknowledge that Republican Senator Mike Lee was wrong to do that?

1 hour ago, base698 said:

I try to assume the text screenshots are bots or something that approaches bots.  In the case above I posted it because I'd seen some others.  

Wait, you assume the online glorification of Kirk's murder is bots, not real left wing people? So you're saying it's Elon Musk's fault? Bro... Musk is a hardcore right winger, not a lefty. Sounds like you need to revise that dataset again.

Edited Thursday at 06:19 PM by jakee

[kallend 2,195]

1 hour ago, base698 said:

 

A full explanation is that I care a little bit (I posted that in response to another graphic on the site).  BOTH SIDES HAVE BOTS.  

How do I know that you're a real person?  You hide behind an alias.

[JoeWeber 3,005]

Just now, kallend said:

How do I know that you're a real person?  You hide behind an alias.

What, you don't "online, bro?" Permit me to explain, that's where you can spout any unverified nonsense a keyboard can produce and then hang tight until you read something from another online bro that supports, or preferably refutes, something someone posted.

 

[base698 20]

50 minutes ago, jakee said:

 you led with your conclusion as fact, and you didn't ask for more data

But I got the data and said in my second post I could be convinced. It was definitely my assumption, but I kept digging and found more data.  Some that skewed the numbers when looking by incident where the right wing violence looks worse.  
 

 

23 minutes ago, kallend said:

How do I know that you're a real person?  You hide behind an alias.

I think I met you too at a dz.com boogie a million years ago.  DON'T DOX ME.

 

50 minutes ago, jakee said:

Wait, you assume the online glorification of Kirk's murder is bots, not real left wing people? So you're saying it's Elon Musk's fault?

Or Russian Disinformation, disaffected Anonymous members, bored kids on 4chan, whatever your favorite bot source is.

 

50 minutes ago, jakee said:

I can say that because you had already drawn your conclusions from the data set that was so obviously deficient you've already had to revise it ten times in the space of an hour or two.

You're forgetting that I actually did dig and I said in my second post, I can be convinced.

Edited Thursday at 06:30 PM by base698

[JoeWeber 3,005]

Just now, base698 said:

DON'T DOX ME

Why not? Do you pretend to be a liberal in real life? Do you hold an important job that requires you to live in fear of a constituency? Rather than living in fear of being known by your name why not simply don't post online, especially here? Or, and this will require a degree of true bravery, just use your real name and live free. 

[gowlerk 2,296]

17 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Why not? Do you pretend to be a liberal in real life? Do you hold an important job that requires you to live in fear of a constituency? Rather than living in fear of being known by your name why not simply don't post online, especially here? Or, and this will require a degree of true bravery, just use your real name and live free. 

The repercussions are bound to be coming soon. The extreme right has always been violent. now we have.....Laura Loomer warned that “More people will be murdered if the Left isn’t crushed with the power of the state,” Open season starts now. 

[nigel99 662]

28 minutes ago, base698 said:

But I got the data and said in my second post I could be convinced. It was definitely my assumption, but I kept digging and found more data.  Some that skewed the numbers when looking by incident where the right wing violence looks worse.  
 

 

I think I met you too at a dz.com boogie a million years ago.  DON'T DOX ME.

 

Or Russian Disinformation, disaffected Anonymous members, bored kids on 4chan, whatever your favorite bot source is.

 

You're forgetting that I actually did dig and I said in my second post, I can be convinced.

Crap dataset when Jan 6 isn’t right leaning or shown. 

It’s pretty clear that you’ve made up your mind and are going to massage the data to fit your beliefs. 

It’s also interesting you say silence is violence, and yet you’ve blown off multiple attempts to get you to decry something that happened 40 days ago. 

You want to play with datasets why don’t you HONESTLY tally up left/right wing politicians rhetoric on promoting violence? Trump is one of the worst.

[JoeWeber 3,005]

Just now, gowlerk said:

The repercussions are bound to be coming soon. The extreme right has always been violent. now we have.....Laura Loomer warned that “More people will be murdered if the Left isn’t crushed with the power of the state,” Open season starts now. 

They understand social media and the undeniable pea brainedness of their audience, that's for sure. Maybe I'm just old fashioned but I'm waiting until the assassin responds to FBI Director Patel's Trump media account postings and turns himself in before drawing political affiliation conclusions.  

[jakee 1,625]

40 minutes ago, base698 said:

But I got the data and said in my second post I could be convinced. It was definitely my assumption, but I kept digging and found more data.  Some that skewed the numbers when looking by incident where the right wing violence looks worse.  

So to be clear - you retract the title of this thread, you retract everything you said in your first post and you retract every conclusion that you stated as fact before you'd bothered to look for the information that showed you to be wrong?

That is the case, yes?

40 minutes ago, base698 said:

Or Russian Disinformation, disaffected Anonymous members, bored kids on 4chan, whatever your favorite bot source is.

You posted the ones from X, and that's Elon's fault. He chose for it to be a bot infested amplifier of extremist content, it didn't have to be that way.

But asde from that, Republican Senator Mike Lee is not a bot. Do you not care at all about the online celebration of violence as long as it is right wingers who are clebrating it? Is it only worth mentioning when left wingers do it?

Remember, silence is violence. Or is that just another thing you said before doing enough research?

40 minutes ago, base698 said:

You're forgetting that I actually did dig and I said in my second post, I can be convinced.

You forget that in your first post (the title of the damn thread even) you had already presented your concusions as fact before doing any digging at all. You forget that in your second post you also said this "Since 2015, it’s been riots, bombings and assassinations coming from the left. The only right attacks close to the modern era are Dylan Roof, Giffords, and abortion bombings pre 2010." - an absolutely false statement that you have now acknowledged was made from a position of ignorance.

And again, to be absolutely clear, you do acknowledge that what you presented as fact in your first and second posts was really just ill-informed nonsense? That is correct, yes?

Edited Thursday at 07:12 PM by jakee

[Phil1111 1,241]

51 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

The repercussions are bound to be coming soon. The extreme right has always been violent. now we have.....Laura Loomer warned that “More people will be murdered if the Left isn’t crushed with the power of the state,” Open season starts now. 

Agree The extreme right has killed tenfold more Americans than the left(see below). Trump has washed his hands of Gaza and Ukraine. So he'll be a tough guy against the left, the weak and non-heterosexuals. He will use this event to entrench project 2025.

A Gulf War veteran, McVeigh became radicalized by anti-government beliefs. He sought revenge against the United States federal government for the 1993 Waco siege, as well as the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident. McVeigh expressed particular disapproval of federal agencies such as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for their handling of issues regarding private citizens. He hoped to inspire a revolution against the federal government, and he defended the bombing as a legitimate tactic against what he saw as a tyrannical government.^[12] He was arrested shortly after the bombing and indicted on 160 state offenses and 11 federal offenses, including the use of a weapon of mass destruction. He was found guilty on all counts in 1997 and sentenced to death.^[13]

[JerryBaumchen 1,484]

6 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Agree everything he and his wife espoused was White Christian nationalism . Turning Point was all about his facade of Christianity to legitimize the worst of MAGA politics.

Erika Kirk was an active participant in Turning Point USA, She gave introductions for her husband, gave personal speeches at Turning Point events, had her own personal podcasts and was active politically in the MAGA movement.

Hi Phil,

Hmmm:  My heart sincerely goes out to his wife, and his two children. They did not deserve any of this. They are innocent.

Jerry Baumchen

[JerryBaumchen 1,484]

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

Crap dataset when Jan 6 isn’t right leaning or shown. 

It’s pretty clear that you’ve made up your mind and are going to massage the data to fit your beliefs. 

It’s also interesting you say silence is violence, and yet you’ve blown off multiple attempts to get you to decry something that happened 40 days ago. 

You want to play with datasets why don’t you HONESTLY tally up left/right wing politicians rhetoric on promoting violence? Trump is one of the worst.

Hi Nigel,

Re:  It’s pretty clear that you’ve made up your mind and are going to massage the data to fit your beliefs.

Sounds like the mantra of the GOP,  to me.

Jerry Baumchen

[base698 20]

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

Crap dataset when Jan 6 isn’t right leaning or shown

It doesn’t count perp deaths (Babbitt), but the 140 injuries would count.  

 

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

Crap dataset when Jan 6 isn’t right leaning or shown. 

It’s pretty clear that you’ve made up your mind and are going to massage the data to fit your beliefs. 

It’s also interesting you say silence is violence, and yet you’ve blown off multiple attempts to get you to decry something that happened 40 days ago. 

You want to play with datasets why don’t you HONESTLY tally up left/right wing politicians rhetoric on promoting violence? Trump is one of the worst

My beliefs literally changed in this thread.  It went from the right violence isn’t as bad to when it does happen it seems to be more random and larger scale.  As opposed to just knocking off a commentator or CEO (discounting the couple of left school shootings that are also random).

I said silence is violence in reference to the common justification you see to punching nazis and such.  There was a link I posted about it.  If silence is violence I can kill you to save everyone.

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Since 2015, it’s been riots, bombings and assassinations coming from the left. The only right attacks close to the modern era are Dylan Roof, Giffords, and abortion bombings pre 2010." - an absolutely false statement that you have now acknowledged was made from a position of ignorance

I found a few others but the number of absolute incidents on the left is higher.  It’s just the ones on the right cause more injuries.  I have not added up all the times a university gets broken up or silenced but I’m sure there are enough injuries to do it.  Also Tesla bombings and some of the bigger riots for the left aren’t totally accounted for.

[base698 20]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

So to be clear - you retract the title of this thread, you retract everything you said in your first post and you retract every conclusion that you stated as fact before you'd bothered to look for the information that showed you to be wrong?

That is the case, yes?

I wouldn’t retract everything.  There are plenty of violent leftist of which I provided plenty of examples.

[JoeWeber 3,005]

Just now, base698 said:

I wouldn’t retract everything.  There are plenty of violent leftist of which I provided plenty of examples.

It's not violent leftists or rightists it's that we are all violent animals who are barely under control on our good days. That nature is easily combined with our other true natures of stupidity, gullibility, tribalism, and irritability. Stir or shake, it doesn't matter, and out comes another homicide.

[GeorgiaDon 385]

5 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

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They left out acute lead poisoning.

[GeorgiaDon 385]

5 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Representative Nancy Mace of South Carolina said  “People need to be responsible for themselves, that’s what this is about,” she said, adding: “I hope and pray that we bring the death penalty back and whomever did this gets a swift justice and a bullet to the head just like Charlie did.”

So if I understand this correctly, the best way to reduce the number of people getting killed is by killing more people?  Sounds about...not right.  State sanctioned killing is still killing.

[jakee 1,625]

1 hour ago, base698 said:

I said silence is violence in reference to the common justification you see to punching nazis and such.  

I have never once heard that as a justification for physically attacking someone. I don't think I believe anyone has ever used that as a justification for physically attacking someone.

1 hour ago, base698 said:

There was a link I posted about it.

No there isn't.

1 hour ago, base698 said:

I wouldn’t retract everything.  There are plenty of violent leftist of which I provided plenty of examples.

The explicit premise of this thread and the absolute statements of fact you made earlier on were that political violence is almost entirely leftwing problem, not a right wing problem. To be clear, you do retract that premise, you do retract those earlier statements, and you do so because you now realise they were made from a position of ignorance before you'd bothered to gather any meaningful data - that is correct, yes?

[Phil1111 1,241]

1 hour ago, base698 said:

...I found a few others but the number of absolute incidents on the left is higher.  It’s just the ones on the right cause more injuries....

Wrong Timothy McVeigh single handily puts the killed and injured by the right on top by a factor of ten.

[nigel99 662]

3 hours ago, base698 said:

It doesn’t count perp deaths (Babbitt), but the 140 injuries would count.  

 

My beliefs literally changed in this thread.  It went from the right violence isn’t as bad to when it does happen it seems to be more random and larger scale.  As opposed to just knocking off a commentator or CEO (discounting the couple of left school shootings that are also random).

I said silence is violence in reference to the common justification you see to punching nazis and such.  There was a link I posted about it.  If silence is violence I can kill you to save everyone.

I found a few others but the number of absolute incidents on the left is higher.  It’s just the ones on the right cause more injuries.  I have not added up all the times a university gets broken up or silenced but I’m sure there are enough injuries to do it.  Also Tesla bombings and some of the bigger riots for the left aren’t totally accounted for.

It always takes courage to admit you’ve changed your mind, especially on the internet. 

I’d suggest your next data gathering experiment might be objectively looking at who uses violent rhetoric and inciting violence.