Murder on the high seas

[wmw999 2,621]

28 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Nordic countries: The political parties respect each other and trust between them and the government is a given. The people trust the government.

America. The political parties are at war and one party the MAGA-republican party teaches that the government is evil.That it can't be trusted and tries to use the justice system against its citizens. The parties use the tax system to create winners and losers.

Really, for a good 100 years or so until the late 1980’s and early 1990’s this was fairly true of the US. The “divide and conquer” strategy, especially when it’s US were dividing, is not good for a country that wants to adapt to the world. And the world isn’t going to adapt to it for real long  

Wendy P. 

[Phil1111 1,234]

13 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

It just cracks me up that anyone thinks anything other than flat stupidity is play here. We have masked ICE assholes sweeping up strawberry pickers and home roofers wherever you look...

“’I love the smell of deportations in the morning,’” Trump wrote on his social media site. “Chicago about to find out why it’s called the Department of WAR.”

Trump is such a poet.

[billvon 3,151]

11 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

I didn't realize you believed simply getting away with something was smart business. 

I don't.   But most businesses will choose success over bankruptcy. 

[BIGUN 1,520]

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Really, for a good 100 years or so until the late 1980’s and early 1990’s this was fairly true of the US. The “divide and conquer” strategy, especially when it’s US were dividing, is not good for a country that wants to adapt to the world. And the world isn’t going to adapt to it for real long  

This. Why so many Americans are now moving to the Independent Party - myself included.  The crevasse has grown way too wide. I hate it. I saw my former party getting worse about it. 

"Independents are a growing cohort of voters—according to Gallup, more Americans identify as independents (40%) than as Democrats (29%) or Republicans (30%).

Independents overwhelmingly identify as “moderate” and state they agree with both major parties on certain issues. For example, independents tend to trust Democrats more on abortion, healthcare, and climate change, while they prefer Republicans on the economy, gun rights, and immigration.**

Despite their numbers, millions of independents are excluded from primary elections across the 15 states with closed congressional primaries and the 22 with closed presidential primaries."

https://www.uniteamerica.org/articles/research-brief-growing-cohort-of-independent-voters-becomes-critical-segment-of-electorate

** I don't necessarily agree with this paragraph. 

 There has to be a leader out there somewhere that can bring both aisles back together with some common sense legislation, or lead the new Independent Party to growth.  

[jakee 1,622]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

“’I love the smell of deportations in the morning,’” Trump wrote on his social media site. “Chicago about to find out why it’s called the Department of WAR.”

Trump is such a poet.

Even by the standards of a guy who usually says 3 insane things before breakfast, that is fucking INSANE.

[JerryBaumchen 1,484]

4 hours ago, normiss said:

Pedo POTUS expert skills in international business relations, and the foreign investment he promised grinds to a halt.

Such a fucking moron. (that's my polite version)

Hi Mark,

From your link:  Georgia . . . where many large South Korean businesses operate and plan future investments.

Some how I am thinking they might just reconsider this.

Jerry Baumchen

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54 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

This. Why so many Americans are now moving to the Independent Party - myself included.  The crevasse has grown way too wide. I hate it. I saw my former party getting worse about it. 

"Independents are a growing cohort of voters—according to Gallup, more Americans identify as independents (40%) than as Democrats (29%) or Republicans (30%).

Independents overwhelmingly identify as “moderate” and state they agree with both major parties on certain issues. For example, independents tend to trust Democrats more on abortion, healthcare, and climate change, while they prefer Republicans on the economy, gun rights, and immigration.**

Despite their numbers, millions of independents are excluded from primary elections across the 15 states with closed congressional primaries and the 22 with closed presidential primaries."

https://www.uniteamerica.org/articles/research-brief-growing-cohort-of-independent-voters-becomes-critical-segment-of-electorate

** I don't necessarily agree with this paragraph. 

 There has to be a leader out there somewhere that can bring both aisles back together with some common sense legislation, or lead the new Independent Party to growth.  

Hi Keith,

Re:  Why so many Americans are now moving to the Independent Party

Here in Oregon we have an Independent Party.  I am not a member.  I am a non-affiliated voter; that is a choice we have here.

Jerry Baumchen

 

Edited Monday at 05:54 PM by JerryBaumchen

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35 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Keith,

Re:  Why so many Americans are now moving to the Independent Party

Here in Oregon we have an Independent Party.  I am not a member.  I am a non-affiliated voter; that is a choice we have here.

Jerry Baumchen

 

Now if we could only get the Electoral College on the bandwagon...but no, they're a TWO PARTY SYSTEM.

Waste of votes.

[JoeWeber 3,005]

Just now, billvon said:

I don't.   But most businesses will choose success over bankruptcy. 

Well, the exception being certain Trump voters I reckon. No matter, someone is obviously hiring 11 million undocumented workers, and the world turns. I was simply pointing out that hiding some at the end of a desert road is probably less apparent, and these days less of a potential BFD, than 400+ Korean building contractors just outside of Savannah, GA. I don't know, maybe we should just tax what people buy not what they make instead.

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2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Well, the exception being certain Trump voters I reckon. No matter, someone is obviously hiring 11 million undocumented workers, and the world turns. I was simply pointing out that hiding some at the end of a desert road is probably less apparent, and these days less of a potential BFD, than 400+ Korean building contractors just outside of Savannah, GA. I don't know, maybe we should just tax what people buy not what they make instead.

That is why VAT and GST taxes are so popular, 175 countries in the world popular.

[BIGUN 1,520]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

That is why VAT and GST taxes are so popular,

VAT & GST are basically the same as sales tax. The primary difference between sales tax and GST lies is how and when the taxes are applied throughout the supply chain. VAT and sales tax are also basically the same. It’s just that VAT is the most common consumption tax system in the world, while sales tax exists only in the United States. 

[JoeWeber 3,005]

Just now, BIGUN said:

VAT & GST are basically the same as sales tax. The primary difference between sales tax and GST lies is how and when the taxes are applied throughout the supply chain. VAT and sales tax are also basically the same. It’s just that VAT is the most common consumption tax system in the world, while sales tax exists only in the United States. 

Certainly they are. What might appease at least some knuckleheads is knowing that not only do the undocumented give us all of their income taxes for free but then are also paying us the substitute for income tax on whatever they might have leftover. Maybe take it all a step further and instead of residency or citizenship we just charge a day rate based on skin color.

[BIGUN 1,520]

13 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

 not only do the undocumented give us all of their income taxes for free but then are also paying us the substitute for income tax on whatever they might have leftover.

I'm not sure I understand your point. 

[Phil1111 1,234]

13 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Certainly they are. What might appease at least some knuckleheads is knowing that not only do the undocumented give us all of their income taxes for free but then are also paying us the substitute for income tax on whatever they might have leftover. Maybe take it all a step further and instead of residency or citizenship we just charge a day rate based on skin color.

Agree, pay at less than minimum wage.

Labour laws don't apply because they can't complain.

Poor working conditions that no other citizens will tolerate. Hence the huge number of unfilled jobs.

Pay taxes but not able to collect benefits.

Agra corporations reap the benefits in excess profits.(and golf course owners)

Yet MAGA objects because of Brown skin.

Edited Tuesday at 12:49 PM by Phil1111