And now

[wmw999 2,577]

So we’ve gone and bombed Iran. Not sure whose wet dream that was, but I’m sure they’re rich and influential. I have one longtime acquaintance who said he feels safer already.

Because there’s nothing like being the biggest guy in the room. At least until you remember you don’t own the house.

Fuck me

Wendy P. 

[BIGUN 1,470]

20 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Because there’s nothing like being the biggest guy in the room. At least until you remember you don’t own the house.

Or thinking you have friends in that house. 

[JoeWeber 2,912]

Just now, BIGUN said:

Or thinking you have friends in that house. 

I suppose if they mine the Straits of Hormuz the price of oil might go up, might there be a few beneficiaries in that space? I don't think Russia uses the Straits. We do to ship gas to India, I think, but I will never believe this was anything more than dick swinging by President Hurt Feelings. 

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,456]

41 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I suppose if they mine the Straits of Hormuz the price of oil might go up, might there be a few beneficiaries in that space? I don't think Russia uses the Straits. We do to ship gas to India, I think, but I will never believe this was anything more than dick swinging by President Hurt Feelings. 

 

Hi Joe,

He keeps saying he wants peace; then he bombs a sovereign country.

So much for his aspirations for a Nobel.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,912]

27 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

So we’ve gone and bombed Iran. Not sure whose wet dream that was, but I’m sure they’re rich and influential. I have one longtime acquaintance who said he feels safer already.

Because there’s nothing like being the biggest guy in the room. At least until you remember you don’t own the house.

Fuck me

Wendy P. 

And for 100% sure, no doubt about it, and take it to the bank certainty, they left every last bit of their enriched uranium and equipment in the facilities while Israel was attacking and Trump was bloviating. I would also bet the DZ that they also painted bullseye's on the roofs and arrows on the ground to show the way. 

 

[Phil1111 1,159]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

I suppose if they mine the Straits of Hormuz the price of oil might go up, might there be a few beneficiaries in that space? I don't think Russia uses the Straits. We do to ship gas to India, I think, but I will never believe this was anything more than dick swinging by President Hurt Feelings. 

 

"The Iranian Parliament has approved a measure to close the Strait of Hormuz, a critical global oil choke point, after the United States bombed three nuclear sites in Iran, according to Iranian state media on Sunday.

While the Parliament has voted in favor of closing the strait, the final decision rests with the country’s Supreme National Security Council, according to state media." I don't think they will do it. Instead they will play the victim and fund the bomb program. They will play the long game.

During the first Trump presidency there was a nuclear agreement which Iran was honouring. They had less than 500 centrifuges and never installed more during the entire term of that agreement. After trump tore up the agreement Iran dramatically expanded enrichment. After Trump ordered the assassination if the Iranian diplomat/general Qasem Soleimani they expanded it again. As of last week the goal was 15,000 centrifuges.

There is all sorts of celebration in the Trump executive about the success of the mission but over 400kg of 60% enriched uranium exists in Iran. Sixty percent enrichment represents 90% of the work of enrichment. Most of the existing centrifuges are first generation models and Iran has now employed second and third generation ones. About 70% of its centrifuges were first generation ones of 12,000 total.

All Iran has to do to get back on track is rebuild about 5,000 of its third generation models and with two weeks it could have the material for up to eight bombs. IMO the Mullahs will have a limited military response then get back to rebuilding centrifuges. This time the site will likely be a km underground.

IMO Iran gets back to business and keeps revenge cold. It keeps getting upgraded Russian missile designs, keeps supplying Russia with drones and checks out the newest nuclear warhead designs that Putin will sell. Iran would likely have still only had the 500 centrifuges had Trump not reneged on the Obama agreement. Not killed its diplomat/general.

Edited June 22 by Phil1111

[jakee 1,586]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

All Iran has to do to get back on track is rebuild about 5,000 of its third generation models and with two weeks it could have the material for up to eight bombs.

But of course Iran have been weeks away from building a nucear bomb since what, 1993? Time sure does move slow over there. 

But it's interesting that The Bomb was the one and only justification for attacking Iran, and Trump claims this strike has completely destroyed Irans entire nuclear programme. So he's definitely not going to strike them again, right?

[Phil1111 1,159]

27 minutes ago, jakee said:

But of course Iran have been weeks away from building a nucear bomb since what, 1993? Time sure does move slow over there. 

But it's interesting that The Bomb was the one and only justification for attacking Iran, and Trump claims this strike has completely destroyed Irans entire nuclear programme. So he's definitely not going to strike them again, right?

"Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard’s strength and standing within the Trump administration is coming under question after the president twice publicly brushed off her testimony that Iran is not close to developing a nuclear weapon, and amid reports of tensions between the two.

President Trump nominated Gabbard as his intelligence director despite some doubts from both parties, and her anti-war stance fits in with the MAGA movement’s aversion to getting the U.S. sucked into foreign conflicts." Above from five days ago.

Two days ago "Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard has flipped her stance on Iran after President Donald Trump nuked her intelligence as “wrong.”...“The dishonest media is intentionally taking my testimony out of context and spreading fake news as a way to manufacture division,” Gabbard wrote to her 600K followers. “America has intelligence that Iran is at the point that it can produce a nuclear weapon within weeks to months, if they decide to finalize the assembly.”

Tow the MAGA line about lying for Trump and you're in. Tell the truth and you're out.

[billvon 3,099]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

But of course Iran have been weeks away from building a nucear bomb since what, 1993? Time sure does move slow over there. 

Well, heck, Trump has been two weeks away for a "big, beautiful" replacement for Obamacare for 12 years now!

[nigel99 607]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

But of course Iran have been weeks away from building a nucear bomb since what, 1993? Time sure does move slow over there. 

But it's interesting that The Bomb was the one and only justification for attacking Iran, and Trump claims this strike has completely destroyed Irans entire nuclear programme. So he's definitely not going to strike them again, right?

Change the spelling to Iraq and we can bring up 20 year old threads to rehash the same arguments. 

[JoeWeber 2,912]

1 hour ago, nigel99 said:

Change the spelling to Iraq and we can bring up 20 year old threads to rehash the same arguments. 

Last time all we needed to do was shoot down a passenger jet, so let’s get with the program and put this mess behind us.

[kallend 2,142]

"But the hyper-emotional response to honest questioning over whether Iran’s nuclear program has truly been wiped out makes the White House look defensive, raising doubts about its truthfulness."; CNN

Doubts about the truthfulness of the Trump administration?  Really?

 

Edited Thursday at 12:57 PM by kallend
Spelin'

[normiss 886]

2 minutes ago, kallend said:

"But the hyper-emotional response to honest questioning over whether Iran’s nuclear program has truly been wiped out makes the White House look defensive, raising doubts about its truthfulness."; CNN

Doubts about the truthfulness of the Trump administration?  Really?

 

American government has shown Iran once again that we cannot be trusted. Deals with America will be abandoned and in reward of dropping the agreement we may very well attack you, stop helping or funding, and leave you to your own in defense of your sovereign nation.

They have then painfully understood that nuclear nations do NOT get bombed.

Looks like Trump helped start Iran's nuclear weapons program!

Bibi will be soooo happy. Trump should go ahead and grant Bibi a pardon for his crimes too!

 

What a horrible place this planet is when we allow some humans to shit all over the place.

[nigel99 607]

11 hours ago, normiss said:

American government has shown Iran once again that we cannot be trusted. Deals with America will be abandoned and in reward of dropping the agreement we may very well attack you, stop helping or funding, and leave you to your own in defense of your sovereign nation.

They have then painfully understood that nuclear nations do NOT get bombed.

Looks like Trump helped start Iran's nuclear weapons program!

Bibi will be soooo happy. Trump should go ahead and grant Bibi a pardon for his crimes too!

 

What a horrible place this planet is when we allow some humans to shit all over the place.

Every now and again I agree with Trump. His statement “They’ve been fighting for so long, they don’t know what the fuck they’re doing” was spot on. 

Now you should deport him to El Salvador for being a Palestinian sympathiser.

[Phil1111 1,159]

12 hours ago, normiss said:

....Bibi will be soooo happy. Trump should go ahead and grant Bibi a pardon for his crimes too!

...

Trump demands end to Netanyahu’s graft trial: ‘US saved Israel, now it’s going to save Bibi’

"In unprecedented intervention in Israeli justice system, US president slams criminal case against PM as a ‘ridiculous Witch Hunt,’ declares ‘THIS TRAVESTY CAN NOT BE ALLOWED’"

The King has spoken, all hail the King.

Edited Friday at 01:50 AM by Phil1111