Unconditional Surrender demand

[JoeWeber 2,900]

35 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

But most Christians are also nice because it’s the right thing to do. After all, at least some traditions say whether you go to heaven or hell is predestined before you’re born. I find that most people are as good as is convenient, most of the time. So my job is to point out easy convenient things they can do…

Wendy P. 

Sure, it’s the right thing to do because your mom might cuff you. I hear you but I’m saying my point is intact in strict comparison.

[kallend 2,131]

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

 

 

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

But most Christians are also nice because it’s the right thing to do.  …

Wendy P. 

History over many centuries  suggests that you are wrong.

[billvon 3,095]

31 minutes ago, kallend said:

 

History over many centuries  suggests that you are wrong.

History remembers the Urban II's, not the Mother Theresas.

[jakee 1,583]

9 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Speaking of which I'm surprised Trump doesn't have a dog as their loyalty is unmatched. I guess there is Eric?

Deciding to get a dog is deciding to care about something that isn't you.

[BIGUN 1,458]

13 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

you have to admit that those who do nice things under threat of damnation,

If you have to do good things out of fear of damnation, you're not a good person to begin with. There is both good and bad among believers and non-believers. Your point is starting to sound as disdain about an entire group of people. If that disdain were directed at Trans or Blacks . . . 

[gowlerk 2,266]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

If you have to do good things out of fear of damnation, you're not a good person to begin with. There is both good and bad among believers and non-believers. Your point is starting to sound as disdain about an entire group of people. If that disdain were directed at Trans or Blacks . . . 

I make a point of never looking down at anyone merely for what they believe about the nature of existence. We all have to believe something. I believe that we can never know. I prefer to ignore beliefs and only judge on behaviour.

[BIGUN 1,458]

20 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

I believe that we can never know. I prefer to ignore beliefs and only judge on behaviour.

Agreed

[jakee 1,583]

5 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Your point is starting to sound as disdain about an entire group of people. If that disdain were directed at Trans or Blacks . . . 

If it was, then (regardless of whether it;s right or wrong) the point would be very different. Black people didn't make a choice to be black. Opinions may vary about trans people, but I'm sure they would feel they didn't make a choice to be trans either.

[JoeWeber 2,900]

3 hours ago, BIGUN said:

If you have to do good things out of fear of damnation, you're not a good person to begin with. There is both good and bad among believers and non-believers. Your point is starting to sound as disdain about an entire group of people. If that disdain were directed at Trans or Blacks . . . 

I don't think most folks learn to be Trans or Black nor do they have later options. They also don't have a text that offers guidance and penalties for certain behaviors.

[JoeWeber 2,900]

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

I believe that we can never know.

Well there is that whole preponderance of the evidence thing we use for everything else.

 

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

I prefer to ignore beliefs and only judge on behaviour.

Sure, for the feels, but beliefs can be a predictor of behaviors. If I were to tell you that someone set off an explosive vest on a bus or someone else shot a doctor in a parking basement you wouldn't take long in correctly guessing their religions or certain features of the victims beliefs. 

 

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

I make a point of never looking down at anyone merely for what they believe about the nature of existence.

Good on you, but totally beside the point, too, especially knowing that most people haven't the slightest clue how the nature of existence lies in complete conflict with the stories they've been told and come to believe as, well, the Gospel.

[nigel99 603]

8 hours ago, BIGUN said:

If you have to do good things out of fear of damnation, you're not a good person to begin with. There is both good and bad among believers and non-believers. Your point is starting to sound as disdain about an entire group of people. If that disdain were directed at Trans or Blacks . . . 

https://youtube.com/shorts/meU_0oiPvNo?si=YnebrARJL_JBCeYA

This popped up in my YouTube feed. I think it’s a great piece by a Palestinian comedian.

[kallend 2,131]

On 6/20/2025 at 7:28 PM, billvon said:

History remembers the Urban II's, not the Mother Theresas.

I remember nice white  Christians throwing rocks at a little black girl who dared to go to the wrong school.

[BIGUN 1,458]

56 minutes ago, kallend said:

I remember nice white  Christians throwing rocks at a little black girl who dared to go to the wrong school.

Been out of the house much since 1963?

[JoeWeber 2,900]

8 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Been out of the house much since 1963?

Since '63 they've been throwing electrons. No matter, are you claiming we've had 60 years of of pure racial fraternity from religion? 

[BIGUN 1,458]

5 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

are you claiming we've had 60 years of of pure racial fraternity from religion? 

Fun fact: Majority of Hispanics and blacks are Christian.

[JoeWeber 2,900]

Just now, BIGUN said:

Fun fact: Majority of Hispanics and blacks are Christian.

Fun fact: 42% of the Latino vote went to Trump and did 20% of the Black vote. Any guess as to why? 

[JerryBaumchen 1,452]

21 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Fun fact: Majority of Hispanics and blacks are Christian.

Hi Keith,

And, they still get discriminated.

Jerry Baumchen

[BIGUN 1,458]

2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

And, they still get discriminated.

If you look at the world through a Jim Crow lens; you'll eventually find what you're looking for. 

[BIGUN 1,458]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

42% of the Latino vote went to Trump and did 20% of the Black vote.

Funner Facts: https://navigatorresearch.org/2024-post-election-survey-racial-analysis-of-2024-election-results/