Abortion Commentary

[JerryBaumchen 1,452]

Hi folks, 

Now, who would want a fair election when our rights are at stake:  “What we are seeing is an incredible pushback from our government in terms of just our freedom to have a free and fair election,”

DeSantis machine vs. 'Yes' campaign in Florida abortion battle

It is getting crazy as to what extent the GOP has no interest in the will of the people.

Hopefully, we can show them on 5 Nov.

Jerry Baumchen

Edited October 26, 2024 by JerryBaumchen

[tkhayes 348]

Yup, I made several phone calls to representatives and senators in Florida… Of course, none of them actually answer the phone, you can only leave a message.

But I did ask if they really believed in representative government and the will of the people and all that and the will of the people and all that…

To quote Danny Burgess, now state senator, formally statehouse representative, who I ran against in 2018… “I will not stop until there are no more abortions”

 

Edited October 26, 2024 by tkhayes

[rushmc 23]

To me, Roe V Wade has nothing to do with abortion.

To me, it is about people in black robes creating a right out of thin air.  So, if the can create a right, they then might think they can remove real rights.

[billvon 3,092]

3 hours ago, rushmc said:

To me, it is about people in black robes creating a right out of thin air.

So the US Constitution is nothing but magic rainbows and unicorn farts?  

Well, Trump supporters do want to terminate it - so I guess that makes sense to them.

[jakee 1,582]

11 hours ago, rushmc said:

To me, Roe V Wade has nothing to do with abortion.

To me, it is about people in black robes creating a right out of thin air.  So, if the can create a right, they then might think they can remove real rights.

Oh yeah - nothing speaks to an authoritarian zeal for control over the populace more than, uh, creating rights the government is not allowed to infringe.

Now the people who decide to remove those rights - clearly they are the ones who truly love and cherish your personal freedom. 
 

Im glad we had this little chat, Mr Orwell.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

13 hours ago, rushmc said:

To me, Roe V Wade has nothing to do with abortion.

To me, it is about people in black robes creating a right out of thin air.  So, if they can create a right, they then might think they can remove real rights.

"Creating a right'.

Sure. 

I wasn't aware the right to privacy didn't exist before Roe v Wade (for those not aware, the 'right to privacy' between a woman and her doctor for medical purposes was the main legal reason for Roe v Wade)

I also wasn't aware the right to not incriminate one's self didn't exist before Arizona v Miranda (that's where "you have the right to remain silent..." came from).

I wasn't aware the right to marry didn't exist before Obergefell v Hodges or Loving v Virginia.

[kallend 2,129]

16 hours ago, rushmc said:

To me, Roe V Wade has nothing to do with abortion.

To me, it is about people in black robes creating a right out of thin air.  So, if the can create a right, they then might think they can remove real rights.

It's pretty sad that you think the only rights we have are those laid down in the Constitution (as amended).  That puts the US population way behind all of the EU, and the non  EU European nations, as well as every country that references the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in its consttution (the US does not).. 

Edited October 28, 2024 by kallend

[billvon 3,092]

Rush thinks like most Trump supporters - you only have those rights that the government gives you, that they create "out of thin air."

Of course the reality is the opposite.  We are born with all the rights we will ever have - the freedom to marry who we want, the freedom to go wherever we want, even the freedom to rape and kill.  The only things the government can do is 1) defend those rights from those who would take them from you and 2) take away rights that are incompatible with living in a free society.  Murder, for example, deprives another person of their right to life, and so that right is taken away.  Rape is considered to take away a woman's rights as well, so unless you're a powerful republican, that is illegal as well.

Roe v Wade said that the government does not have the power to take away that right from women.  Trump and his supporters have decided to give the government more power, and allow governments to take away rights from women.

[JerryBaumchen 1,452]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Rush thinks like most Trump supporters - you only have those rights that the government gives you, that they create "out of thin air."

Of course the reality is the opposite.  We are born with all the rights we will ever have - the freedom to marry who we want, the freedom to go wherever we want, even the freedom to rape and kill.  The only things the government can do is 1) defend those rights from those who would take them from you and 2) take away rights that are incompatible with living in a free society.  Murder, for example, deprives another person of their right to life, and so that right is taken away.  Rape is considered to take away a woman's rights as well, so unless you're a powerful republican, that is illegal as well.

Roe v Wade said that the government does not have the power to take away that right from women.  Trump and his supporters have decided to give the government more power, and allow governments to take away rights from women.

Hi Bill,

Re:  Rush thinks like most Trump supporters - you only have those rights that the government gives you, that they create "out of thin air."

Just wait until rush & the rest of the MAGA crowd starts to lose those 'rights' that effect them.

As I often post:  It is all good until it is your ox that is getting gored.

Jerry Baumchen

 

Edited October 28, 2024 by JerryBaumchen

[rushmc 23]

20 hours ago, rushmc said:

To me, Roe V Wade has nothing to do with abortion.

To me, it is about people in black robes creating a right out of thin air.  So, if the can create a right, they then might think they can remove real rights.

And of course, those here who are very left would like nothing more than to have people in black robes create and remove rights.  Along as it fits there ideologies.

[wmw999 2,566]

Just now, rushmc said:

And of course, those here who are very left would like nothing more than to have people in black robes create and remove rights.  Along as it fits there ideologies.

The same goes for the people on the right. Something that's been a right for the last 50 years was removed a couple of years ago, and all of the right-leaning justices said that they considered Roe V. Wade to be "settled law." What are your thoughts about that?

Wendy P.

[billvon 3,092]

48 minutes ago, rushmc said:

And of course, those here who are very left would like nothing more than to have people in black robes create and remove rights. 

Given that those black robes have been removing rights at the behest of their conservative benefactors lately, you've got that exactly backwards.

Justice is now for sale, and the price is a superyacht vacation.

[ryoder 1,590]

9 minutes ago, billvon said:

Given that those black robes have been removing rights at the behest of their conservative benefactors lately, you've got that exactly backwards.

Justice is now for sale, and the price is a superyacht vacation.

But they will also settle for a motorhome!

[rushmc 23]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

The same goes for the people on the right. Something that's been a right for the last 50 years was removed a couple of years ago, and all of the right-leaning justices said that they considered Roe V. Wade to be "settled law." What are your thoughts about that?

Wendy P.

Wendy, I have much respect for you so I will reply to you.

Way back i told you my position on abortion 

 

This is not about abortion. It is about judicial activation.  Saying something is so called settled does not make it right or settled. Mistakes need to be corrected. That is what happened here.

 

On another note. So say to see billvon and his followers keep bullying dissenting voices off this forum. So sad

 

And, the justices have not removed a RIGHT that does not exist

 

My fear is they will remove rifgts that do exist!

Just look at the 2nd amendment thread on this forum...

Edited October 28, 2024 by rushmc

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, rushmc said:

And of course, those here who are very left would like nothing more than to have people in black robes create and remove rights.  Along as it fits there ideologies.

weird argument when you just celebrated people in black robes taking a right away.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

13 minutes ago, rushmc said:

And, the justices have not removed a RIGHT that does not exist

 

My fear is they will remove rifgts that do exist!

yeah, like what kind of moron would think women have the right to control their own body and not be subjected to forced labour.

Women can't have REAL rights.

 

Guns, guns have real rights.

[rushmc 23]

1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

weird argument when you just celebrated people in black robes taking a right away.

Not the case.  What right?

[rushmc 23]

Just now, SkyDekker said:

yeah, like what kind of moron would think women have the right to control their own body and not be subjected to forced labour.

Women can't have REAL rights.

 

Guns, guns have real rights.

I have not even talked about abortion. Please focus

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 minute ago, rushmc said:

Not the case.  What right?

the right to make decisions about their own healthcare.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 minute ago, rushmc said:

I have not even talked about abortion. Please focus

I haven't mentioned abortion. Only you have mentioned abortion so far, multiple times.

[JoeWeber 2,897]

5 minutes ago, rushmc said:

Not the case.  What right?

This is going to be fun

[JerryBaumchen 1,452]

2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

This is going to be fun

Hi Joe,

Do not feed the trolls.

Jerry Baumchen

[rushmc 23]

Ya, your right. I should stop

[rushmc 23]

8 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

I haven't mentioned abortion. Only you have mentioned abortion so far, multiple times.

No, I talked about Roe v Wade. The court case

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Just now, rushmc said:

Ya, your right. I should stop

you should indeed stop supporting rapist felons who steal from children's charities.