nigel99 582 #1 Posted October 22, 2024 (edited) With all due respect to the very sincere and well intentioned people, I really think America needs to stop saying that they set the global standard for decorum, rule of law and democracy in the world. Yes once upon a time that was true, but American politics is now a clown show. Trump is the ring master, but the list is endless JD Vance, Mike Johnson, Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell… The Supreme Court, Elon Musk, The so called rule of law has been shown to be an illusion- if it wasn’t Trump would be in jail many years ago. Empires rise and fall, the American public are the biggest victims, it will hurt the rest of the world as well. Sorry Kamala but I disagree with your view that America still sets the standard. It’s incredible that in the past 25 years we have had 9/11, Global Financial Crisis, Brexit, and Covid. Yet the current American crisis feels like all of those pale in comparison. Edited October 22, 2024 by nigel99 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 918 #2 October 22, 2024 On 10/22/2024 at 12:10 AM, nigel99 said: The Supreme Cunt, Elon Musk, FIFY It’s sad/ironic that the Trumpians use ‘American exceptionalism‘ give themselves permission to tear down the relationships and standards on which it was built. I don’t know that the jig is already up, given that most major countries are grappling with the same stuff, but it definitely seems like the empire’s on a downward slope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 582 #3 October 22, 2024 On 10/22/2024 at 12:22 AM, lippy said: FIFY It’s sad/ironic that the Trumpians use ‘American exceptionalism‘ give themselves permission to tear down the relationships and standards on which it was built. I don’t know that the jig is already up, given that most major countries are grappling with the same stuff, but it definitely seems like the empire’s on a downward slope https://power.lowyinstitute.org/data/resilience/institutional-stability/political-stability/ It’s ok, the US is tied with Cambodia in 13th place, North Korea is at 17. I was actually surprised at how low the US is on the list (granted there will be other lists with different results) 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #4 October 22, 2024 (edited) On 10/22/2024 at 12:10 AM, nigel99 said: With all due respect to the very sincere and well intentioned people, I really think America needs to stop saying that they set the global standard for decorum, rule of law and democracy in the world. If this is the standard, I'll pass: https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1848764747875074210 Edited October 22, 2024 by SkyDekker 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 582 #5 October 23, 2024 “Along with snipers on the roof and security at every entrance, the centre will also have security cameras, floodlights and two layers of security fencing” https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-23/us-pols-election-latest-oct-23/104505804 Unimaginable a few years ago that America would be in this situation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #6 October 23, 2024 On 10/23/2024 at 8:04 AM, nigel99 said: “Along with snipers on the roof and security at every entrance, the centre will also have security cameras, floodlights and two layers of security fencing” https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-23/us-pols-election-latest-oct-23/104505804 Unimaginable a few years ago that America would be in this situation Going to need a UN security force to allow for fair elections soon. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #7 October 23, 2024 On 10/22/2024 at 7:16 PM, SkyDekker said: If this is the standard, I'll pass: https://x.com/patriottakes/status/1848764747875074210 On 10/23/2024 at 8:04 AM, nigel99 said: “Along with snipers on the roof and security at every entrance, the centre will also have security cameras, floodlights and two layers of security fencing” https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-23/us-pols-election-latest-oct-23/104505804 Unimaginable a few years ago that America would be in this situation On 10/23/2024 at 3:57 PM, SkyDekker said: Going to need a UN security force to allow for fair elections soon. Come on now guys! Surely if the message of superiority is repeated often enough by politicians for the domestic audience. Superiority can be accepted as fact. After all just look at the GOP messaging machine and its success in re-branding trump. Obviously America is the victim of actions by outsiders and blame needs to be laid. Perhaps Canada can be added to Mexico as the reason for America's failures. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #8 October 25, 2024 But World War Two! The Greatest Generation! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,259 #9 October 25, 2024 On 10/25/2024 at 4:00 PM, NewGuy2005 said: But World War Two! The Greatest Generation! Are mostly dead now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 53 #10 November 2, 2024 (edited) On 10/25/2024 at 4:57 PM, gowlerk said: Are mostly dead now. Exactly, so maybe it's time to move on to contemporary accomplishments, or lack of accomplishments, whichever is appropriate. Every time a politician drags out a WW2 vet as a prop for his speech I wonder if our fixation on that amazing accomplishment is healthy. Edited November 2, 2024 by NewGuy2005 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
