Who will replace Biden?

[Phil1111 1,149]

24 minutes ago, billvon said:

It's trolling.  He's admitted that at least twice.

 

 

9 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Seriously, so what? Sure he's fishing for reactions but just being sophisticated and subtle doesn't make it not trolling. We're all looking for a reaction of some type, that's reality. Also, just because a thing has an expanding internet definition doesn't mean it's just plain awful. Sure Brent is often jerking chains but as often he's proclaiming what he truly believes. Maybe others want to block him over the trivial difference but I'll take a little chain jerking to engage on the stuff he's really wrong about. How else will I change the world?

Agree.

IMO Brent regurgitates Trump talking points which are endorsed by about 1/2 of current American voters.

Science, logic and facts are not the sole determinants of voters opinions.

[jakee 1,571]

6 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Yeah, I get it, someone mentions Trump and the red mist ensues, blinded by rage you are unable to cite a single example of racism, misogyny, white supremacy or ammunition vending machines in the R’s platform.

The GOP is ardently opposed to teaching the truth about race relations in schools. Racist gerrymandering and voter suppression of black people is their core election strategy. Their worst anti-abortion laws are deeply misogynistic.

Just how little have you been paying attention?

[lippy 918]

6 hours ago, jakee said:

Just how little have you been paying attention?

Maybe he's spent his vacation trying to figure out which misspelling of the VP's name would trigger the libs the most.....weird.

[JerryBaumchen 1,451]

Hi folks like Biden was 'replaced' long before the first debate:  

New book on Biden by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson reports a ‘cover-up’ about his decline

Jake Tapper Faces Backlash Over New Book on Biden's Cognitive Decline - Newsweek

Wonder when they'll do a book about the current incompetent?

Jerry Baumchen

[nigel99 587]

10 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks like Biden was 'replaced' long before the first debate:  

New book on Biden by Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson reports a ‘cover-up’ about his decline

Jake Tapper Faces Backlash Over New Book on Biden's Cognitive Decline - Newsweek

Wonder when they'll do a book about the current incompetent?

Jerry Baumchen

Unfortunately there must be some truth to people hiding Biden’s decline and that undermines the dems ability to take the high ground. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,451]

Hi folks,

Slowly, but surely, the truth emerges:  Biden's family and closest advisers seemed to operate in a "fog of delusion and denial."

Book claims to outline Biden’s cognitive decline, staff coverup : NPR

IMO this type of stuff supports Wendy's assertion that politicos should call it quits at 70; which I agree with.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  IMO it is too bad; because I think that Joe Biden is a quite nice guy.  It comes with old age.

 

[normiss 871]

6 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Slowly, but surely, the truth emerges:  Biden's family and closest advisers seemed to operate in a "fog of delusion and denial."

Book claims to outline Biden’s cognitive decline, staff coverup : NPR

IMO this type of stuff supports Wendy's assertion that politicos should call it quits at 70; which I agree with.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  IMO it is too bad; because I think that Joe Biden is a quite nice guy.  It comes with old age.

 

Why not go with the FAA retirement requirement?  Seems an insane elderly president could do significantly more damage to the planet than a single pilot, no.

Imagine what a felon president could do...hell LOOK at what an insane felon president IS doing!

[kallend 2,118]

On 2/27/2025 at 6:23 PM, nigel99 said:

Unfortunately there must be some truth to people hiding Biden’s decline and that undermines the dems ability to take the high ground. 

I'd prefer a pantomime horse over the current incumbent.

[JoeWeber 2,871]

On 2/27/2025 at 7:23 PM, nigel99 said:

Unfortunately there must be some truth to people hiding Biden’s decline and that undermines the dems ability to take the high ground. 

That's right. It wasn't just the debate; the right was pointing to Biden's decline before and we (as in me and my ilk) self-servingly brushed it off as we are always wont to do it seems. Certainly Trump is all that we have claimed and worse but the truth is that we own the resultant disaster of his return to the Presidency by and through our own actions and complicities. Our political leaders also lie to us and themselves to hold onto power and position at the expense and to the detriment of their electorate. Pogo's version was certainly correct: we have found the enemy and he is us.

[wmw999 2,560]

On 2/27/2025 at 6:23 PM, nigel99 said:

Unfortunately there must be some truth to people hiding Biden’s decline and that undermines the dems ability to take the high ground. 

There was undoubtedly some discussion of “well they did it for Reagan.” In 2020 Jimmy Carter (who was elected in his 50’s) said that both were too old in his opinion. Yep.

Wendy P. 

[johnhking1 100]

I remember seeing videos of Biden campaigning from his basement due to covid.  I could tell then that he wasn't all there. If he had been on the road during the campaign, the outcome of the election may have been different. 

[BIGUN 1,440]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

That's right. It wasn't just the debate; the right was pointing to Biden's decline before and we (as in me and my ilk) self-servingly brushed it off as we are always wont to do it seems. Certainly Trump is all that we have claimed and worse but the truth is that we own the resultant disaster of his return to the Presidency by and through our own actions and complicities. Our political leaders also lie to us and themselves to hold onto power and position at the expense and to the detriment of their electorate. Pogo's version was certainly correct: we have found the enemy and he is us.

Well, we've identified the problem. It's time to make "centrism sexy" and develop a plan.

https://www.moderatedemocrats.org/

Personally, I would vote for Kelly. Hopefully, he would pick a moderate for VP.  

[JoeWeber 2,871]

11 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Well, we've identified the problem. It's time to make "centrism sexy" and develop a plan.

https://www.moderatedemocrats.org/

Personally, I would vote for Kelly. Hopefully, he would pick a moderate for VP.  

Developing a plan is key. Central to that plan must include recognizing that we need candidates who will appeal to the shallow and uninformed several percent of the electorate that can put the ticket over the top. That, sports fans, is what we cannot allow ourselves to be talked out of regardless of how absolutely shitty and antithetical such blatant hypocrisy may be to our core beliefs. 

I would also vote for Kelly just as I would for Buttigeig or Moore and did for Harris. But next time around, if there is one, we cannot think that way even if the polls say otherwise. Next time we need to get things in the proper order: first win and then do what is right.

[JerryBaumchen 1,451]

56 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

 

https://www.moderatedemocrats.org/

 

Hi Keith,

Thanks for the website.  It did not look like any of them on it were over 70.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[JerryBaumchen 1,451]

21 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Developing a plan is key. Central to that plan must include recognizing that we need candidates who will appeal to the shallow and uninformed several percent of the electorate that can put the ticket over the top. That, sports fans, is what we cannot allow ourselves to be talked out of regardless of how absolutely shitty and antithetical such blatant hypocrisy may be to our core beliefs. 

I would also vote for Kelly just as I would for Buttigeig or Moore and did for Harris. But next time around, if there is one, we cannot think that way even if the polls say otherwise. Next time we need to get things in the proper order: first win and then do what is right.

Hi Joe,

^^^^^ This; and, nothing but this.

Jerry Baumchen

[BIGUN 1,440]

11 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Next time we need to get things in the proper order: first win and then do what is right.

So, the same war cry as the Republicans. How very Machiavellian Project 2025ish. 

Edited May 15 by BIGUN

[jakee 1,571]

10 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

So, the same war cry as the Republicans. How very Machiavellian Project 2025ish. 

Are you insane? In what way is ‘and then do what’s right’ in the current Republican playbook? Project 2025 was nothing to do with the campaign, it was the behind the scenes playbook on how to consolidate total power after the campaign, and use it to push a nakedly anti-democratic agenda.

[JoeWeber 2,871]

30 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

So, the same war cry as the Republicans. How very Machiavellian Project 2025ish. 

Not exactly. It was more of a high school level plagiarism of the end justifies the means crafted with a dollop of highfalutin jargon so as to appear noble and not cutthroat which is what I'm  actually proposing.

[BIGUN 1,440]

32 minutes ago, jakee said:

it was the behind the scenes playbook on how to consolidate total power after the campaign, and use it to push a nakedly anti-democratic agenda.

Exactly my point.

[JoeWeber 2,871]

4 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Exactly my point.

I wouldn't so characterize the point to make it appear as if we're talking about two sides of a coin. I am proposing the doing and saying of whatever it takes to win for the chance to push a completely democratic agenda. The idea is that for that to happen we will need to leave our consciouses and a wide swath of our actual desires, not to mention our always frantic need to wake everyone up before sunrise, in the sack for the time being. Today I read where the leftist purity police in California are bemoaning what appears to be Newsom's slow drift to the middle. That is exactly the sort of missing the point entirely I'm thinking about.

[BIGUN 1,440]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

That is exactly the sort of missing the point entirely I'm thinking about.

Understand and agree. 

"We" as Americans have got to STOP with the party alignment and work from the middle outwards TOGETHER for what's best for our nation. 

[jakee 1,571]

2 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Exactly my point.

Hence the question, are you insane?  Nothing Joe said hinted at anything remotely in that direction and you know it. 
 

This is just more of the naked double standard you and your political fellows apply where the Democrats have to have the perfect candidates with the perfect policies and the perfect campaign starategy in order to even be considered as an alternative to the unethical, criminal and incompetent dumpster fire on the other side.

Edited May 15 by jakee

[wmw999 2,560]

I think that we’re forgetting that “democratic,” “fair,” “legal,” “American,” and lots of other concepts (like “true”) are seen very differently by the non-center left and right. And that the farther out on the fringe, the less respect one has for the others’s viewpoint, or even their right to a different viewpoint.

We have to fix that. Freedom means different things to different people. I don’t agree with all of their definitions, but just calling them wrong doesn’t help. Gotta engage with respect for their experiences

Wendy P  

 

[gowlerk 2,260]

3 hours ago, jakee said:

Are you insane? In what way is ‘and then do what’s right’ in the current Republican playbook? Project 2025 was nothing to do with the campaign, it was the behind the scenes playbook on how to consolidate total power after the campaign, and use it to push a nakedly anti-democratic agenda.

I think you are missing the fact that most on the right are believers who do indeed know for sure that their policies are best for their society. Most of them are sincere. Which is why they also believe that the ends justify the means. 

Edited May 15 by gowlerk

[BIGUN 1,440]

7 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

I think you are missing the fact that most on the right are believers who do indeed know for sure that their policies are best for their society. Most of them are sincere. Which is why they also believe that the ends justify the means. 

Far right, Far left. Same. Same.