Trump

[normiss 910]

The Pedo POTUS now says he has the "Consultational Right" to appoint unqualified judges, ostensibly to be in his pocket.

Hang on folks, I think they just downshifted to becoming more aggressive.

[jaybird18c 29]

I stay out of this garbage forum these days. It’s better for my health. However, I’ll go on record and say that I completely disagree with what Trump just did. He signed an executive order in essence outlawing the burning of the US Flag saying that it incites riots. He also said that it would incur a one year prison sentence. While I find the act of burning our flag absolutely repulsive, I also find Trump’s action a direct attack on the 1st Amendment. 

[BIGUN 1,520]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

He signed an executive order in essence outlawing the burning of the US Flag saying that it incites riots. He also said that it would incur a one year prison sentence. While I find the act of burning our flag absolutely repulsive, I also find Trump’s action a direct attack on the 1st Amendment. 

Bullshit. On this one item; I agree with him. The flag is a symbol; representative of the men and women that have died fighting for this country. Did you know over three hundred men died trying to get the flag to the top of Iwo Jima - because it meant victory to the enemy. Men and women of service are buried cloaked in the flag. We salute the flag. Maybe "Flags of our Fathers" should be required reading in High School. 

Nope. There's 1,995 reasons to hate trump, but this ain't one of them. You want to engage in free speech or expression - use signs; use your words, honk your horns, go flip off a cop, but leave the flag alone. IT IS the one thing that illuminates all of your rights. 

[jaybird18c 29]

5 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Bullshit. On this one item; I agree with him. The flag is a symbol; representative of the men and women that have died fighting for this country. Did you know over three hundred men died trying to get the flag to the top of Iwo Jima - because it meant victory to the enemy. Men and women of service are buried cloaked in the flag. We salute the flag. Maybe "Flags of our Fathers" should be required reading in High School. 

Nope. There's 1,995 reasons to hate trump, but this ain't one of them. You want to engage in free speech or expression - use signs; use your words, honk your horns, go flip off a cop, but leave the flag alone. IT IS the one thing that illuminates all of your rights. 

I’m a 20 year Army retiree. The Constitution is bigger than that. If the right of those individuals to free speech/expression isn’t protected, neither is mine, regardless of whether or not I’m offended. I am deeply offended by the burning of our flag by the way. But that’s beside the point.

[JoeWeber 3,005]

2 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

I stay out of this garbage forum these days. It’s better for my health. However, I’ll go on record and say that I completely disagree with what Trump just did. He signed an executive order in essence outlawing the burning of the US Flag saying that it incites riots. He also said that it would incur a one year prison sentence. While I find the act of burning our flag absolutely repulsive, I also find Trump’s action a direct attack on the 1st Amendment. 

I guess you aren’t completely impenetrable. Now go calm your offended nerves and contemplate on the myriad other attacks Trump has made on our former right to free speech.

[normiss 910]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

Bullshit. On this one item; I agree with him. The flag is a symbol; representative of the men and women that have died fighting for this country. Did you know over three hundred men died trying to get the flag to the top of Iwo Jima - because it meant victory to the enemy. Men and women of service are buried cloaked in the flag. We salute the flag. Maybe "Flags of our Fathers" should be required reading in High School. 

Nope. There's 1,995 reasons to hate trump, but this ain't one of them. You want to engage in free speech or expression - use signs; use your words, honk your horns, go flip off a cop, but leave the flag alone. IT IS the one thing that illuminates all of your rights. 

Bullshit. THIS is the hardest part of the 1st Amendment for those of us who have served.

It's painful to see it burned, yet that's the point.

That IS how public outcry in America should feel.

This IS free speech AND expression defined.

[normiss 910]

1 hour ago, jaybird18c said:

I’m a 20 year Army retiree. The Constitution is bigger than that. If the right of those individuals to free speech/expression isn’t protected, neither is mine, regardless of whether or not I’m offended. I am deeply offended by the burning of our flag by the way. But that’s beside the point.

Fellow veteran in full agreement on this expression of the Amendment.

It SHOULD hurt us all to see that, much like what is being protested and resisted.

[JerryBaumchen 1,484]

1 hour ago, normiss said:

Bullshit. THIS is the hardest part of the 1st Amendment for those of us who have served.

It's painful to see it burned, yet that's the point.

That IS how public outcry in America should feel.

This IS free speech AND expression defined.

Hi Mark,

This veteran hates to see the flag burned.

I do agree that it is a matter of free speech.

I just do not like it.

I do not see how the idiot in the White House can say he will arrest anyone who burns the flag.  The Supremes said it was free speech.

Ah, so much for Trump's education.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Fox’s Brit Hume: Trump flag-burning order ‘flies in the face’ of Constitution

 

Edited August 25 by JerryBaumchen

[BIGUN 1,520]

2 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

The Constitution is bigger than that. If the right of those individuals to free speech/expression isn’t protected, neither is mine, regardless of whether or not I’m offended.

Justice Sandra Day O'conner was a champion of civil discourse. Chief Justice William Rehnquist, John Paul Stevens, Sandra Day O’Connor, and Byron White all dissented (5-4). Rehnquist said that, “The flag is not simply another ‘idea’ or ‘point of view’ competing for recognition in the marketplace of ideas.”

[JoeWeber 3,005]

Just now, BIGUN said:

Justice Sandra Day O'conner was a champion of civil discourse. Chief Justice William Rehnquist, John Paul Stevens, Sandra Day O’Connor, and Byron White all dissented (5-4). Rehnquist said that, “The flag is not simply another ‘idea’ or ‘point of view’ competing for recognition in the marketplace of ideas.”

Okay, so reasonable people disagree. 

[wmw999 2,627]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

PS)  Fox’s Brit Hume: Trump flag-burning order ‘flies in the face’ of Constitution

For Trump, all that happens then is it pisses off the liberals. Stretch goal -- and we comply!

Wendy P.

[JoeWeber 3,005]

Meanwhile, today in the Oval Office meeting with the South Korean President, Trump brought up a topic of conversation he had with Kim Jong Un: 

"The whole issue of the women. Comfort women. Very specifically. We talked and that was a very big problem for Korea, not for Japan. Japan was, wanted to go, they want to get on. But Korea was very stuck on that," Trump said.

Finally, subject matter he's expert on.

[dogyks 26]

4 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Mark,

This veteran hates to see the flag burned.

I do agree that it is a matter of free speech.

I just do not like it.

I do not see how the idiot in the White House can say he will arrest anyone who burns the flag.  The Supremes said it was free speech.

Ah, so much for Trump's education.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Fox’s Brit Hume: Trump flag-burning order ‘flies in the face’ of Constitution

 

I seem to recall a Louisiana law that said that you could do whatever you wanted to the flag, but the penalty was limited to $5 for someone who beat the shit out of somebody defacing the flag.

Seems like a fair and balanced approach to me.

[gowlerk 2,296]

1 hour ago, dogyks said:

I seem to recall a Louisiana law that said that you could do whatever you wanted to the flag, but the penalty was limited to $5 for someone who beat the shit out of somebody defacing the flag.

Seems like a fair and balanced approach to me.

It's a special kind of blind irrationalism to think that the flag symbol is more offensive to deface than it is offensive to shit all over the freedom and rights that it represents. It reminds me of how some idiots think burning the Quran or drawing pictures of the Prophet should be punishable by death. There is an order, or should be an order to priorities. Get a grip on what is really important. 

[thelivo 21]

17 hours ago, BIGUN said:

Bullshit. On this one item; I agree with him. The flag is a symbol; representative of the men and women that have died fighting for this country. Did you know over three hundred men died trying to get the flag to the top of Iwo Jima - because it meant victory to the enemy. Men and women of service are buried cloaked in the flag. We salute the flag. Maybe "Flags of our Fathers" should be required reading in High School. 

Nope. There's 1,995 reasons to hate trump, but this ain't one of them. You want to engage in free speech or expression - use signs; use your words, honk your horns, go flip off a cop, but leave the flag alone. IT IS the one thing that illuminates all of your rights. 

" MAGA: Show me one thing Trump has done that’s unconstitutional!
Well, Trump signed an Executive Order to make the First Amendment protected right to burn the American flag in protest illegal with a mandatory one year jail sentence.
MAGA: That one’s okay, because it hurts my feelings when people do that. "

Saw on Threads. Seemed relevant.

[BIGUN 1,520]

1 hour ago, thelivo said:

" MAGA: Show me one thing Trump has done that’s unconstitutional!
Well, Trump signed an Executive Order to make the First Amendment protected right to burn the American flag in protest illegal with a mandatory one year jail sentence.
MAGA: That one’s okay, because it hurts my feelings when people do that. "

The primary things missing in this country today are common decency and respect. Millions have come to this country to live under that flag. The military buries their own under that flag every day, Every Gold Star mother that has buried their child in some war is presented a flag. Oaths are taken with the flag hoisted, we lower the flag in honor of those that we deem leaders - of all kinds. 

Show some respect to the flag. Treat it with the reverence it deserves.   

[Phil1111 1,243]

15 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Meanwhile, today in the Oval Office meeting with the South Korean President, Trump brought up a topic of conversation he had with Kim Jong Un: 

"The whole issue of the women. Comfort women. Very specifically. We talked and that was a very big problem for Korea, not for Japan. Japan was, wanted to go, they want to get on. But Korea was very stuck on that," Trump said.

Finally, subject matter he's expert on.

That was after he praised Kim and lectured the South Korean leader about how imposing martial law should be open to any president.

Trump of course feels that any young woman or teen:

"Former Miss Arizona Tasha Dixon said Donald Trump walked into a dress rehearsal for the pageant in 2001 while the contestants were "half-naked" and the women were told to "fawn all over him," according to an interview.

Her comments appear to match up with what Trump told Howard Stern in an interview in 2005 — that he was "allowed to go in" to the dressing area backstage because he was "the owner of the pageant."

Trump has been embroiled in controversy recently for comments he made in 2005 in which he can be heard on tape bragging about groping women. Trump has since apologized for the remarks.

Dixon, who was 18 at the time, said Trump came "strolling right in" during a dress rehearsal for the Miss USA pageant in 200l, she told CBS2/KCAL. She said it was the contestants' introduction to Trump and that the women were naked or half-naked, in a "very physically vulnerable position."

Trump would have been 55 at the time of that pageant.

[jakee 1,631]

58 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

The primary things missing in this country today are common decency and respect.

And the way to foster genuine respect is to demand it under penalty of imprisonment?

[normiss 910]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

The primary things missing in this country today are common decency and respect. Millions have come to this country to live under that flag. The military buries their own under that flag every day, Every Gold Star mother that has buried their child in some war is presented a flag. Oaths are taken with the flag hoisted, we lower the flag in honor of those that we deem leaders - of all kinds. 

Show some respect to the flag. Treat it with the reverence it deserves.   

Using it in protests is ALL of those things too.

My hardest time with the flag while in uniform? Funeral duty. One of the most heartfelt jobs I've ever done. Burying fellow service members is tough.

[kallend 2,196]

"Donald Trump never had the courage himself to raise his right hand and serve his country in uniform, but let me just say from personal experience - and that consists of 23 years in the military, 17 of which, proudly as a member of the Illinois National Guard - that the men and women who are brave enough to wear this country's flag on their shoulder are doing so to defend our nation's rights and freedoms, not to protect a tin-pot dictator's thin skin or to police their own neighbors.  It's not what they signed up for, and it's certainly not what their training is focused on."

Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D, Illinois), disabled veteran.

[Phil1111 1,243]

30 minutes ago, kallend said:

"Donald Trump never had the courage himself to raise his right hand and serve his country in uniform, but let me just say from personal experience - and that consists of 23 years in the military, 17 of which, proudly as a member of the Illinois National Guard - that the men and women who are brave enough to wear this country's flag on their shoulder are doing so to defend our nation's rights and freedoms, not to protect a tin-pot dictator's thin skin or to police their own neighbors.  It's not what they signed up for, and it's certainly not what their training is focused on."

Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D, Illinois), disabled veteran.

Why are those national guard members who have other jobs not phoning in sick? To waste the efforts of guard members by "securing the border", policing LA, policing Washington DC all for politics. Is an order that warrants refusal.

[BIGUN 1,520]

47 minutes ago, normiss said:

My hardest time with the flag while in uniform? Funeral duty. One of the most heartfelt jobs I've ever done. Burying fellow service members is tough.

Morning, brother. 

Would you have pissed on or burned the flag at those services? No. Out of respect. so, why are other times OK?

[BIGUN 1,520]

6 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Why are those national guard members who have other jobs not phoning in sick?

There are laws that, 1) protect their emplyment if mobilized, and 2) They would face the UCMJ for doing it. 

6 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

To waste the efforts of guard members by "securing the border", policing LA, policing Washington DC all for politics. Is an order that warrants refusal.

I think we can all agree the legalities of those orders are in question, the morality of it just sucks. A real President would have asked the Governor's if they wanted assistance and then used NG federal funding for that assistance. If no; then the mere asking and media attention would probably have the Governors doing someting different.  

Edited August 26 by BIGUN

[dogyks 26]

29 minutes ago, kallend said:

"Donald Trump never had the courage himself to raise his right hand and serve his country in uniform, but let me just say from personal experience - and that consists of 23 years in the military, 17 of which, proudly as a member of the Illinois National Guard - that the men and women who are brave enough to wear this country's flag on their shoulder are doing so to defend our nation's rights and freedoms, not to protect a tin-pot dictator's thin skin or to police their own neighbors.  It's not what they signed up for, and it's certainly not what their training is focused on."

Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D, Illinois), disabled veteran.

She nailed it.

I happen to revere what the flag represents and dislike those who disrespect it.  Ironically enough, what it represents includes the right to demonstrate said disrespect.

Though I am given to Schadenfreude when, say people burning the flag catch fire themselves, I consider it imperative that such people be accorded the full range of rights against which they are railing.

If you want to wear the white hat, you have to follow the rules. 

[normiss 910]

7 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Morning, brother. 

Would you have pissed on or burned the flag at those services? No. Out of respect. so, why are other times OK?

I don't feel a funeral is the place for any protests. 

Not the case in public protests. It's intended to hurt us to the core. That's the point.

As a nation, we're still missing that.

If we continue to allow our own government to run over us as they please, the flag means nothing.