Trump

[normiss 917]

3 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

One step closer to becoming the Third Reich:   federal takeover of police forces

Donald Trump Jr. calls Portland, Seattle ‘craphole cities,’ hints at federal takeover of police forces - oregonlive.com

And, why stop at Seattle & Portland:   the other craphole cities of the country

Jerry Baumchen

Hey Jerry,

Didn't he already talk about having to declare a national emergency, activate military, and stop elections?

Not that that should be a surprise to anyone paying attention.

[jakee 1,648]

4 hours ago, normiss said:

Hey Jerry,

Didn't he already talk about having to declare a national emergency, activate military, and stop elections?

Not that that should be a surprise to anyone paying attention.

Pretty much guaranteed at this point this is all leading to a huge ICE and military deployment to police polling stations in ‘problem’ districts at the midterms.

[nigel99 689]

3 hours ago, jakee said:

Pretty much guaranteed at this point this is all leading to a huge ICE and military deployment to police polling stations in ‘problem’ districts at the midterms.

Growing up in Zimbabwe it’s something that so many people didn’t understand. Mugabe “won” elections using these tactics. His policies generally appealed to the poor and uneducated (I’ll take away farms and businesses and give them to you, despite you not having the capital or skills to run them), and police and military present at voting booths. 

We always had elections and many times UN observers declared them free and fair. Dictators don’t simply not hold elections, they rig the system in their favour and create fear and uncertainty around voting “the wrong way”. 

[dogyks 30]

5 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Growing up in Zimbabwe it’s something that so many people didn’t understand. Mugabe “won” elections using these tactics. His policies generally appealed to the poor and uneducated (I’ll take away farms and businesses and give them to you, despite you not having the capital or skills to run them), and police and military present at voting booths. 

We always had elections and many times UN observers declared them free and fair. Dictators don’t simply not hold elections, they rig the system in their favour and create fear and uncertainty around voting “the wrong way”. 

Unfortunately, we seem to be following Zimbabwe's economic model as well.  Pity we didn't choose that of Argentina of late.

In a sense, I'm impressed that we've made it this far.

Though John's right that I put the economy first, I've effectively thrown in the towel on that issue and vote against those whose policies are worse otherwise.  That doesn't mean that I "support" the one that appears somewhat less bad.

It'd be nice if someone ran the show who had a knack for turning a profit.

[jakee 1,648]

4 hours ago, nigel99 said:

We always had elections and many times UN observers declared them free and fair. Dictators don’t simply not hold elections, they rig the system in their favour and create fear and uncertainty around voting “the wrong way”. 

I saw a Russian exile explaining why Putin still goes through the play acting of holding elections. If you’re a pure dictator, the resistance can coalesce around the hope of democracy. If you hold elections that everyone knows are rigged, you teach the people that democracy can’t save them.

This is why the Republicans have never shut up about election security for the past ten years. A big part of it is appeasing the giant orange man-baby’s ego, but a bigger part of it is conditioning enough people to believe that there is no real democracy. Then when they’re finally in a position to really, truly, blatantly steal an election enough people will collectively shrug and say ‘well that’s what they were already doing anyway’. 

[jakee 1,648]

1 hour ago, dogyks said:

Though John's right that I put the economy first, I've effectively thrown in the towel on that issue and vote against those whose policies are worse otherwise. 

So everything you’ve said so far about voting for the economy was a lie. Ok fine. Pretty obvious given you voted for the guy with THE WORST track record for decades.

Then were just left with you hating anything that makes the country any less racist. Quelle surprise.
 

 

[JoeWeber 3,026]

On 8/22/2025 at 12:10 AM, nigel99 said:

If you suspend belief and rationalise enough it makes sense I guess? Trump is the biggest snowflake out there and whitewashing history, yet his true believers think he’s a hero. 

Seriously, do you folks believe dogkys is either INSANE or that Trump is his hero? Myself, I strongly disagree with him on whether concerns over our very concerning deficit is worth another chance with Trump. Truly, knowing what we already knew, that I find mind boggling.  Also, giving such a rats ass over DEI discrimination in the workforce to where surgical intervention and collateral harms to more important social, including economic, discriminations are justified also makes no sense to me. I'd say he's taken his Shakespeare a bit too seriously, but that's about it.

[richravizza 30]

On 8/19/2025 at 9:19 AM, kallend said:

I'd vote for this guy before I'd vote for Trump:

At least you got the color right...Like the Head in a jar of blue liquid,you said you would vote for.

Have a Happy Sponge Cake Day cupcake.

[richravizza 30]

14 hours ago, jakee said:

Pretty much guaranteed at this point this is all leading to a huge ICE and military deployment to police polling stations in ‘problem’ districts at the midterms.

No, but in DC we did apprehend 40 gang member illegals with nice resumes.In other news; https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/08/19/worst-worst-ice-arrests-gang-member-24-arrests-and-16-convictions

 

[nigel99 689]

6 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Seriously, do you folks believe dogkys is either INSANE or that Trump is his hero? Myself, I strongly disagree with him on whether concerns over our very concerning deficit is worth another chance with Trump. Truly, knowing what we already knew, that I find mind boggling.  Also, giving such a rats ass over DEI discrimination in the workforce to where surgical intervention and collateral harms to more important social, including economic, discriminations are justified also makes no sense to me. I'd say he's taken his Shakespeare a bit too seriously, but that's about it.

Honestly yes I do think Trump is his hero. It’s like the politicians and preachers who are homophobic and yet turn out to be gay. When EVERYONE is more distasteful than Trump without any justification, it shows an affinity and bias.

“Cognitive dissonance is the discomfort a person feels when their behaviour does not align with their values or beliefs. 

Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon that occurs when a person holds two contradictory beliefs at the same time.”

I have no doubt there is some serious cognitive dissonance as he probably finds Trumps behaviour repugnant at some level. Ultimately people resolve cognitive dissonance by changing their beliefs or behaviour. Time will tell if he stops always comparing Trump favourably to all other pollies or goes full Elon. 

Edited August 24 by nigel99

[JoeWeber 3,026]

Just now, nigel99 said:

Honestly yes I do think Trump is his hero. It’s like the politicians and preachers who are homophobic and yet turn out to be gay. When EVERYONE is more distasteful than Trump without any justification, it shows an affinity and bias.

“Cognitive dissonance is the discomfort a person feels when their behaviour does not align with their values or beliefs. 

Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon that occurs when a person holds two contradictory beliefs at the same time.”

I have no doubt there is some serious cognitive dissonance as he probably finds Trumps behaviour repugnant at some level. Ultimately people resolve cognitive dissonance by changing their beliefs or behaviour. Time will tell if he stops always comparing Trump favourably to all other pollies or goes full Elon. 

Hero is a big word and exaggerated in most contexts. Useful tool is probably more like it, seems to me.

[nigel99 689]

5 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Hero is a big word and exaggerated in most contexts. Useful tool is probably more like it, seems to me.

True it maybe an exaggeration, but the message comes across loud and clear that Trump is more than just tolerated. 

[dogyks 30]

11 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

True it maybe an exaggeration, but the message comes across loud and clear that Trump is more than just tolerated. 

At the 'hold your nose and vote' moment, about all the sleazy sonofabitch had going for him was negative - he's neither a lawyer nor a Democrat.  Musk being on hand gave a glimmer of hope that, after a career of turning gold mines into septic tanks, he might show a hint of fiscal responsibility. Yeah, right.

The fact that the toxicity of DEI is being addressed by his administration is a welcome surprise.  The fact that more illegal aliens are self deporting than are apprehended by ICE is remarkable.  The melting pot can do with less slag.

At best Trump is one of what Lenin described as 'useful idiots.' I don't encourage Lenin's exact recommendation on how to deal with the revolutionary post revolution, but a hand-off to someone competent is preferred.

According to Dave Barry, "When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that person is crazy."

I'd say Trump is a case in point of Dave's observation.

[jakee 1,648]

11 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Seriously, do you folks believe dogkys is either INSANE or that Trump is his hero? 

Winsor’s defining political characteristic has always been that he’s a massive racist and sexist but doesn’t want to admit it. Everything else he says is just cover for voting for the guy who will bring back white make privilege.

[jakee 1,648]

4 hours ago, dogyks said:

The melting pot can do with less slag.

As if on cue.

4 hours ago, dogyks said:

According to Dave Barry, "When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that person is crazy."

I'd say Trump is a case in point of Dave's observation.

Right - you believed Trump was the one man with a solution but really he’s just crazy. When the rest of us all knew that in advance I’m not quite sure why you’re bragging about being so clueless.

[nigel99 689]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

As if on cue.

Right - you believed Trump was the one man with a solution but really he’s just crazy. When the rest of us all knew that in advance I’m not quite sure why you’re bragging about being so clueless.

It’s 4D chess

[dogyks 30]

2 hours ago, nigel99 said:

It’s 4D chess

Patton was certifiable.

As H. S. Thompson put it, "when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

[richravizza 30]

On 8/23/2025 at 9:30 AM, jakee said:

 

This is why the Republicans have never shut up about election security for the past ten years. A big part of it is appeasing the giant orange man-baby’s ego, but a bigger part of it is conditioning enough people to believe that there is no real democracy. Then when they’re finally in a position to really, truly, blatantly steal an election enough people will collectively shrug and say ‘well that’s what they were already doing anyway’. 

We are not taking that path ,far too much has been lost to such gaffe.Election integrity and his ego are irrelevant .

Our systems are so loose anyone can vote. In Cal. more half of the residents are foreign born,yet Go to a DMV get a license, check one box and you'll get sad cattle cave of assistance.From a voter registration ,health and welfare bennies.A license based on who you say you are.lol Then Go to a federal building, Try and get on an airplane.Citizens, well we have to get a new valid one, with lines and fees to prove we are.A Complete loss and lack of controls.  I tried to correlate the Left, blue states, politicians, city councils even school boards all the way up the chain, to the top. Ill gotten political power thru votes via illegal immigration. And Why would Dems think it was a good thing? LOL...My opinion is that the Left, really only seeks Power and Control wrapped in a distorted altruism.

Note;A useful idiot is exclusively someone on the Left that promotes idiotic ideas without a deeper realization, they're relinquishing their  freedoms, their individuation to Power. The KGB defector in the late 70's introduced us to the concept, to manipulate our herds.

Our US census doesn't discriminate between the Voter Citizen or and resident legal or not.So essentially illegals and non citizens simple fact of their existence, Is being counted and by extension political power, the estimates unentitled representation is massive and should be a major blow to their political power,karma?lol

I hope you can see the gaffe, Red state enforce immigration Law is therefor loosey,while Blue States,cities,counties ,The sanctuaries  encourage the immigration illegal immigration or not. Congressional maps and seats are draw,city and state reps are chosen.

 

11 hours ago, jakee said:

Winsor’s defining political characteristic has always been that he’s a massive racist and sexist but doesn’t want to admit it. Everything else he says is just cover for voting for the guy who will bring back white make privilege.

I think you're crashing.Wrong side of history on just about everything.You are the only racist around here..but you don't realize it yet.You and your broken religion are in it's final death throes. What is white MAKE privalage? 

Oh wait I GOT IT!!!

 

Edited August 24 by richravizza

[jakee 1,648]

2 hours ago, richravizza said:

Our systems are so loose anyone can vote. 

Well that's obvious bullshit.

2 hours ago, richravizza said:

In Cal. more half of the residents are foreign born,

That's definitely a lie.

2 hours ago, richravizza said:

yet Go to a DMV get a license, check one box and you'll get sad cattle cave of assistance.From a voter registration ,health and welfare bennies.

And that's for sure something you just made up.

 

And um, the misheard lyric you were after was 'cavalcade'. Now 'scuse me while I kiss this guy.

Edited August 24 by jakee

[nigel99 689]

4 hours ago, jakee said:

Well that's obvious bullshit.

That's definitely a lie.

And that's for sure something you just made up.

 

And um, the misheard lyric you were after was 'cavalcade'. Now 'scuse me while I kiss this guy.

I learned something interesting last week, 49% of all Australian’s are either born overseas or their parents were. I’m doing a unit on Cultural Psychology at the moment and it’s interesting as Australia’s policy and approach is multicultural where it is ok for people to retain their culture. Whereas the American approach is a melting pot and you’re expected to adopt American culture. 

It’s going to be interesting to see as we have a “Take Australia back” protest next weekend in all the main cities. I’m really interested in going to see how many South Africans go, because if it’s “true blue Aussies” it should be mostly aboriginal- although all the videos I’ve seen have been blonde women promoting it.

[thelivo 22]

7 hours ago, nigel99 said:

adopt American culture. 

....whatever that is.

[nigel99 689]

1 hour ago, thelivo said:

....whatever that is.

I love the southern states and people I’ve met there. Granted some of the American ways (like flags everywhere) are a bit odd. 

[normiss 917]

12 hours ago, nigel99 said:

I learned something interesting last week, 49% of all Australian’s are either born overseas or their parents were. I’m doing a unit on Cultural Psychology at the moment and it’s interesting as Australia’s policy and approach is multicultural where it is ok for people to retain their culture. Whereas the American approach is a melting pot and you’re expected to adopt American culture. 

It’s going to be interesting to see as we have a “Take Australia back” protest next weekend in all the main cities. I’m really interested in going to see how many South Africans go, because if it’s “true blue Aussies” it should be mostly aboriginal- although all the videos I’ve seen have been blonde women promoting it.

I'm not sure when that changed, but I recall when I was younger (HA!) the neighborhoods in big cities were somewhat ethically varied.

Immigrants moved here, built their neighborhoods, the rest of us went to those neighborhoods for food, drink, parties, and visiting friends.

Last time I was in Chicago or San Fran "China Towns" I struggled to find anything in English or that would indicate in any way that I was in the US. I love that diversity and have thought that's the America we all loved.

Seems to me the racism and hatred started surfacing about the time Reagan came along to fuck us up.

[kallend 2,230]

12 minutes ago, normiss said:

 

Seems to me the racism and hatred started surfacing about the time Reagan came along to fuck us up.

I thought it was Nixon's "southern strategy".

[wmw999 2,644]

A lot of people just like to think back to the days when men, generally white men, were looked to for decisions and opinions. Frankly, most of us like to be asked our opinion and treated as experts (I do...). It's just that white maleness no longer is a sorting mechanism for most people. For some, it's an automatic "sort into the selection pool," and for others it's an automatic "sort out of the selection pool."

Kind of like every single other identifying characteristic.

Wendy P.