Trump

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

There are other ways to determine if a given site is worthwhile.

Word/s of the day: Seismic Oil Exploration 

Then it should be pretty easy to show evidence that those 12 million acres do not contain oil or gas.......

[brenthutch 444]

5 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

If that is what you got out of this, then you need to learn to read.

You boasted about the permitting by the Biden administration. Were they for or were they against oil and gas exploration. (Keep in mind the internet never forgets)

Edited November 8, 2024 by brenthutch

[brenthutch 444]

7 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Then it should be pretty easy to show evidence that those 12 million acres do not contain oil or gas.......

“Do not contain oil and/or gas in sufficient quantities to make their extraction economically feasible”

Fixed it for you 

If only “green energy” boondoggles were held to the same standard.

Edited November 8, 2024 by brenthutch

[SkyDekker 1,465]

11 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

You boasted about the permitting by the Biden administration. Where they for or were they against oil and gas exploration. (Keep in mind the internet never forgets)

The way you position this question shows you have zero understanding of the subject. What you are looking for is some kind of gotcha moment, not an understanding or willingness to learn about a subject.

Generally when current supply outsizes current production adding more supply isn't productive. 

Edited November 8, 2024 by SkyDekker

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

“Do not contain oil and/or gas in sufficient quantities to make their extraction economically feasible”

Fixed it for you 

That is something different from "dry wells" like you suggested before. You really are just throwing shit at a wall to see what might stick.

However, if oil production isn't economically feasible for new projects, then how exactly is adding more projects the solution?

[wmw999 2,587]

23 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

“Don’t stop! Don’t stop! Don’t stop!”

Later…..”I said don’t and stop”

Would you say that if it’s children?

Do you really think men are so cool and sexy they can do whatever they want and it’s funny? Another post like this, especially to the only woman who posts regularly, and I’ll know it’s trolling  

Wendy P. 

[brenthutch 444]

9 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

That is something different from "dry wells" like you suggested before. You really are just throwing shit at a wall to see what might stick.

However, if oil production isn't economically feasible for new projects, then how exactly is adding more projects the solution?

You seem to be suffering under the notion that prospective drilling opportunities are a commodity. They are not. Some hold promise for economic viability and others don’t. The greater the number of new opportunities the more likely it is to find ones that are economically viable.

[brenthutch 444]

12 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Would you say that if it’s children?

Do you really think men are so cool and sexy they can do whatever they want and it’s funny? Another post like this, especially to the only woman who posts regularly, and I’ll know it’s trolling  

Wendy P. 

Relax Wendy, it is a joke that is old as the hills. That said if you were really concerned with the exploitation of women and children you would be upset with Biden’s open borders policy.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

You seem to be suffering under the notion that prospective drilling opportunities are a commodity. They are not.

Well they are. If they weren't a commodity, they couldn't be bought. But you can buy permits and you can lease land.

 

3 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Some hold promise for economic viability and others don’t. The greater the number of new opportunities the more likely it is to find ones that are economically viable.

Equivalent argument to the toddler with cheeks full of candy holding up its hand for more.

For your argument to hold any water, you first have to show nay evidence that the 12 million acres do not contain oil and gas. Or if they do, how new acres would provide cheaper extraction.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Relax Wendy, it is a joke that is old as the hills. That said if you were really concerned with the exploitation of women and children you would be upset with Biden’s open borders policy.

Ah yes, telling a woman to relax. Such a wonderful attitude.

I hope the women in your life haven't suffered any sexual abuse. I know for a fact that if they had, they wouldn't be safe to have that conversation with you. Disgusting.

[brenthutch 444]

1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

Well they are. If they weren't a commodity, they couldn't be bought. But you can buy permits and you can lease land.

 

Equivalent argument to the toddler with cheeks full of candy holding up its hand for more.

For your argument to hold any water, you first have to show nay evidence that the 12 million acres do not contain oil and gas. Or if they do, how new acres would provide cheaper extraction.

Is it your contention that there are 12 million acres ripe with a bounty of profitable oil and gas resources and in an environment of high oil and gas prices (due to the Russo Ukrainian war) that Big Oil is sitting on their hands, just because?

[jakee 1,594]

12 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Relax Wendy, it is a joke that is old as the hills. 

'Oh get over it, we've always been misogynists' is not the defence you think it is.

[brenthutch 444]

Just now, jakee said:

'Oh get over it, we've always been misogynists' is not the defence you think it is.

Just like Trump is a misogynist after he just appointed a woman as his Chief of Staff, arguably the second most powerful person in government. (A historical first) But don’t let your hatred rattled brain understand that.

[billvon 3,111]

A rule that should be obvious in Speaker's Corner, but perhaps it isn't  - 

No jokes about rape, even if they support your guy, and even if you think they are funny.

Sad that I have to explain this, but here we are.

[nigel99 616]

53 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Would you say that if it’s children?

Do you really think men are so cool and sexy they can do whatever they want and it’s funny? Another post like this, especially to the only woman who posts regularly, and I’ll know it’s trolling  

Wendy P. 

I think this highlights the fact that Trump's vulgarity and sexual abuse is not swept under the rug by his supporters, but rather it’s seen as some pathetic alpha male trait to be admired.

We’ve talked about racism and misogyny a lot, this election has emboldened people that it’s ok to express your views. The news has been covering how in 21 states blacks have been receiving texts to report to the nearest cotton plantation (It’s a hilarious joke that’s 200 yrs old, so relax and don’t be uptight about it!).

I’ve got a 28 year old daughter and she’s got more guts than most men.

She’s a child protection case worker. Flies to work in a 172/182 on remote islands. Goes camping and 4 wheel driving in her own in the outback. She regularly goes into situations where she requires armed police support. 

It’s no wonder insecure men feel threatened by strong independent women. Instead they put on eyeliner, makeup, corsets, lifts and diapers and then proclaim themselves alpha males and make derogatory jokes about women.

[JerryBaumchen 1,466]

24 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

I think this highlights the fact that Trump's vulgarity and sexual abuse is not swept under the rug by his supporters, but rather it’s seen as some pathetic alpha male trait to be admired.

We’ve talked about racism and misogyny a lot, this election has emboldened people that it’s ok to express your views. The news has been covering how in 21 states blacks have been receiving texts to report to the nearest cotton plantation (It’s a hilarious joke that’s 200 yrs old, so relax and don’t be uptight about it!).

I’ve got a 28 year old daughter and she’s got more guts than most men.

She’s a child protection case worker. Flies to work in a 172/182 on remote islands. Goes camping and 4 wheel driving in her own in the outback. She regularly goes into situations where she requires armed police support. 

It’s no wonder insecure men feel threatened by strong independent women. Instead they put on eyeliner, makeup, corsets, lifts and diapers and then proclaim themselves alpha males and make derogatory jokes about women.

Hi Nigel,

I have 52-yr old daughter and I feel the same way about her.

She has succeeded tremendously in working for a Japanese firm; where men are usually the only success stories.

Jerry Baumchen

FBI, Justice Department investigating racist texts sent after election - oregonlive.com

Edited November 9, 2024 by JerryBaumchen

[base698 20]

3 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Is non-consensual penetration wrong? Because she very clearly said it was non-consensual. I’m assuming you don’t think that as long as she doesn’t claw your eyes out it’s OK (it’s not)

Wendy P. 

I don't believe the story.  Anything 20 years old is sus, especially at the eve of the 2020 campaign.

[winsor 236]

3 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Would you say that if it’s children?

Do you really think men are so cool and sexy they can do whatever they want and it’s funny? Another post like this, especially to the only woman who posts regularly, and I’ll know it’s trolling  

Wendy P. 

Muhammad married Aisha when she was six.  Are you suggesting there's anything wrong with that?  Only an Islamophobe would dare criticize the Prophet (mhrih).

[JoeWeber 2,938]

2 minutes ago, winsor said:

Muhammad married Aisha when she was six.  Are you suggesting there's anything wrong with that?  Only an Islamophobe would dare criticize the Prophet (mhrih).

Winsor, my deepest apologies. I now understand that you are making funnies, but we sadly are still coming around. I had the honor in Türkiye, but it was no pleasure, of standing in line for several hours to see the Beard of the Prophet, and several important swords and assorted gizmos. Most memorable was how we were quickly moved along when the blessed artifact was coming into view. The gizmos were available for extended staring. (sagfe)

[jakee 1,594]

8 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Just like Trump is a misogynist after he just appointed a woman as his Chief of Staff, arguably the second most powerful person in government. (A historical first) But don’t let your hatred rattled brain understand that.

You know, apartheid hold-out Eugene Terrblanche’s best friend in the world was his black butler. There’s a thing about anyone prejudiced that they always find exceptions in the people they get to know. Because prejudice is irrational, right? Women are just as smart and capable as men, black people are as smart as whites people etc etc. 

Anyway, no-one said Trump is a misogynist because he doesn’t employ women (I have no idea what his record is in that department), he’s a misogynist because he sexually assaults them and brags about it, and because he sold their rights down the river for political favour.

[base698 20]

16 hours ago, billvon said:

Your making excuses for rape is really not a good look.  And no, whatever crazy-straw equivalency you were trying to make doesn't work.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/yes-trump-improved-young-men-drew-young-women-rcna179019

No one believes the rape claims.  

The proportion of the population that believes the news is trustworthy has dropped to lower than the proportion that believes in the competence of Congress. To get Baysian about it, you'd need many years of new evidence to update their beliefs.  Even if the claim that he is a racist or a rapist were true that would barely move the needle to improve their trustworthiness.

You'd have to calculate probability. Trump is a racist given the news said he was a racist (or rapist).  Even if true, that's not going to move the probability of the claim that he is a racist very far forward for any other claim that the media makes about him.

Edited November 9, 2024 by base698

[jakee 1,594]

16 minutes ago, base698 said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/yes-trump-improved-young-men-drew-young-women-rcna179019

No one believes the rape claims.  

Two juries believed them, and it wasn’t because the media told them to. Outside of that, a huge number of people believe them, and a lot of them voted for him anyway. They’re extremely believable, mostly because Trumps own description of what he does to women exactly matches what he did to her.

18 minutes ago, base698 said:

You'd have to calculate probability. Trump is a racist given the news said he was a racist (or rapist).  Even if true, that's not going to move the probability of the claim that he is a racist very far forward for any other claim that the media makes about him.

Again, you’re having to resort to the pretence that Carroll and her own story in her own words doesn’t exist. Just like you were lying when you said the prosecutors invented the charges, you’re lying when you say the media invented the story. 

It’s a good indication that you know you’re in a very uncomfortable position defending him on this.

[base698 20]

2 minutes ago, jakee said:

Two juries believed them, and it wasn’t because the media told them to.

In 2019 the public had been subjected to 4 years of, "literal Hitler, puppet of Putin" so I don't quite understand how you could make this claim.

[jakee 1,594]

8 minutes ago, base698 said:

In 2019 the public had been subjected to 4 years of, "literal Hitler, puppet of Putin" so I don't quite understand how you could make this claim.

You just said that no one believes what the media said about the rape claims. You just said that no one believes anything the media says about anything anymore. Now you’re saying the only reason Trump was convicted is because everyone believes what the media says about him. 

Further are you seriously claiming that two juries found Trump liable for rape and sexual assault because they wanted to punish him for being too close to Putin? You’re seriously accusing those 24 ordinary people who gave up their time in service of justice of such an abject dereliction of duty? 

As I said, clearly you are grasping at straws to justify a position that you know deep down to be unjustifiable. 

Edited November 9, 2024 by jakee

[base698 20]

5 minutes ago, jakee said:

You just said that no one believes what the media said about the rape claims. You just said that no one believes anything the media says about anything anymore. Now you’re saying the only reason Trump was convicted is because everyone believes what the media says about him.

In 2019 trust in media was about 60%. Today it's about 30%.  I'm sure where he was convicted the numbers are probably higher. 

My trust in media has been about 5% since the Iraq war and I read Chomsky as a left winger.  So you'd be fighting at least a 20 year trend for myself to believe any claim made against him, especially since there are numerous examples where they deliberately lied.  The regular public's media trust collapsed after 2020.