President of UN Climate Summit speaks the truth!

[brenthutch 444]

3 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Remember how long "the science" said that those substances weren't addictive?  

Wendy P.

No, why don’t you show me the science that says abuse of opioids is harmless.

[jakee 1,596]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

No, why don’t you show me the science that says abuse of opioids is harmless.

Why are you making that demand when you have presented the oil company executive’s opinion on science in the OP without question or criticism?

[billvon 3,120]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

No, why don’t you show me the science that says abuse of opioids is harmless.

When you say things like that, it's unclear if you're just trolling, or really are capable of missing the point so completely.

[normiss 897]

9 minutes ago, billvon said:

When you say things like that, it's unclear if you're just trolling, or really are capable of missing the point so completely.

The answer to that is clearly Yes.

[brenthutch 444]

31 minutes ago, billvon said:

When you say things like that, it's unclear if you're just trolling, or really are capable of missing the point so completely.

Her “point” is based on a false premise, in my opinion. I asked her to substantiate.  

[billvon 3,120]

34 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Her “point” is based on a false premise, in my opinion.

Wow, you did actually miss the point.  I'll adjust my level of discussion in that case.

[brenthutch 444]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Wow, you did actually miss the point.  I'll adjust my level of discussion in that case.

Let’s get back to the topic of the OP. The UN having an OPEC member host a climate summit presided over by the chief executive of an oil company reveals what a laughingstock and charade the whole UN climate scam is.  They probably chose Dubai because of the massive party budget. COP conferences are nothing but series of tales told by a bunch of idiots, full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

[wmw999 2,589]

The topic is speaking the truth; if you select only the words you want to hear, to can make just about anyone say anything.

Wendy P.

[jakee 1,596]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

Let’s get back to the topic of the OP. The UN having an OPEC member host a climate summit presided over by the chief executive of an oil company reveals what a laughingstock and charade the whole UN climate scam is.  They probably chose Dubai because of the massive party budget. COP conferences are nothing but series of tales told by a bunch of idiots, full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

The thing you might not realise about the UN is that it consists of a lot of different countries.

Edited December 5, 2023 by jakee

[brenthutch 444]

8 minutes ago, jakee said:

The thing you might not realise about the UN is that it consists of a lot of different countries.

Wow! I never knew! 

28 conferences dedicated to lowering CO2 emissions and today our emissions are higher than ever and still growing. Success? Or comical failure?

[wmw999 2,589]

5 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Wow! I never knew! 

28 conferences dedicated to lowering CO2 emissions and today our emissions are higher than ever and still growing. Success? Or comical failure?

Sounds like some really good doubt-casting and lobbying on the part of the oil sector.

Kind of like cigarettes, again. 

Wendy P. 

[jakee 1,596]

4 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Wow! I never knew!

Clearly.

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28 conferences dedicated to lowering CO2 emissions and today our emissions are higher than ever and still growing. Success? Or comical failure?

If you throw an oil tanker into reverse and 5 miles later it's still moving forwards, was there any point trying to stop it?

[billvon 3,120]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

If you throw an oil tanker into reverse and 5 miles later it's still moving forwards, was there any point trying to stop it?

I know!  And if you start at a four year college and three years later you are STILL not making any money, is that success?  Or comical failure?

[normiss 897]

Given the attitude displayed, I wonder if he puts forth any effort towards improving anything in his life.

Seems like a solid, violent, hell no. Just to piss everyone else off.

No logic, no science, just selfishness.

Seems like an angry and only child's approach.

[brenthutch 444]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

Clearly.

If you throw an oil tanker into reverse and 5 miles later it's still moving forwards, was there any point trying to stop it?

28 years later and the oil tanker is going even faster. Not a very effective reverse gear. Looks like someone (the UN) is not a very effective pilot.

Edited December 6, 2023 by brenthutch

[brenthutch 444]

23 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Sounds like some really good doubt-casting and lobbying on the part of the oil sector.

Kind of like cigarettes, again. 

Wendy P. 

What kind of EV do you drive?  Of course it has to be powered by the solar panels on your roof.  If not, YOU and folks like you are the problem, not the oil companies. You talk a good game but when it comes time to make the sacrifices required to put your money where your mouth is you fall short. At least BillV walks the walk. I like to call that integrity.

[JoeWeber 2,941]

17 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

What kind of EV do you drive?  Of course it has to be powered by the solar panels on your roof.  If not, YOU and folks like you are the problem, not the oil companies. You talk a good game but when it comes time to make the sacrifices required to put your money where your mouth is you fall short. At least BillV walks the walk. I like to call that integrity.

You are right to make the point and the point you make is right. On my sailboat I use relatively little diesel and gas, relying on wind and solar for power but I'm not sure that gets me an extra cookie considering how I got here. My careers in aviation were based on burning tanker loads of fuel. Even my real estate activities were fuel consumptive especially when I sold to aviation users or leased to farmers. Of course, I've never owned an EV. So in that sense you are correct to point out a level of hypocrisy in the opposition.

[wmw999 2,589]

34 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

What kind of EV do you drive?  Of course it has to be powered by the solar panels on your roof.  If not, YOU and folks like you are the problem, not the oil companies. You talk a good game but when it comes time to make the sacrifices required to put your money where your mouth is you fall short. At least BillV walks the walk. I like to call that integrity.

I went through my lack of perfection in another post, another thread. So no virtue signaling here. So -- in which ways are you perfect?

Wendy P.

[brenthutch 444]

16 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

I went through my lack of perfection in another post, another thread. So no virtue signaling here. So -- in which ways are you perfect?

Wendy P.

I’m far from perfect but at least I’m not a hypocrite.

Edited December 5, 2023 by brenthutch

[JoeWeber 2,941]

1 minute ago, wmw999 said:

I went through my lack of perfection in another post, another thread. So no virtue signaling here. So -- in which ways are you perfect?

Wendy P.

It's poor form for a mod to encourage ad hominem attacks.

[wmw999 2,589]

I don't either. I just also don't think it's a requirement.

Wendy P.

[brenthutch 444]

8 hours ago, jakee said:

Why are you making that demand when you have presented the oil company executive’s opinion on science in the OP without question or criticism?

Because there is no compelling evidence that he is wrong.  If you can provide that I would be more than happy to see it. Can you “just stop oil”?  I didn’t think so.

Edited December 6, 2023 by brenthutch

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12 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Some of each. Because each can be affected by people with their own financial interest, against the general good. Consider, again, the example of cigarettes and OxyContin. Market forces, as affected by the "no good science showing they're bad" crowd, kept cigarettes going for ages too.

Wendy P.

As a consultant to Philip Morris during the class action suit, I suggested that they countersue.

Smokers often don't make it to retirement, but fall ill and croak in a year or so.  'Healthy' people suck up a lot of retirement benefits without being productive, and the last 10 years of their lives are enormously expensive, geriatric care being what it is.  The cost benefits of killing them off young are enormous.

They didn't think it was funny.

I wasn't kidding.

[olofscience 492]

10 hours ago, brenthutch said:

What kind of EV do you drive?  Of course it has to be powered by the solar panels on your roof.  If not, YOU and folks like you are the problem, not the oil companies. You talk a good game but when it comes time to make the sacrifices required to put your money where your mouth is you fall short. At least BillV walks the walk. I like to call that integrity.

Do you also believe any wars we wage shouldn't be taxpayer-funded at all, but rather organised, supplied, and fought by those ordinary citizens who believe in that particular war's cause?

[olofscience 492]

10 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

My careers in aviation were based on burning tanker loads of fuel.

Yeah, you should have invented, certified, and flown electric aircraft instead.

10 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Even my real estate activities were fuel consumptive especially when I sold to aviation users or leased to farmers.

Yeah, shame on you for just living your life and using the technology of the day to...just live your life.

10 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Of course, I've never owned an EV.

Well like the aircraft, you should have invented them then. Or bought them as soon as they were available even if you didn't need one! What were you doing all those years?

 

/s

 

Seriously, I don't blame anyone who has benefited from fossil fuels or who lives their life using fossil fuels - we don't have that much control over that. It's like saying, "HA! The hospital you were born in used diesel generators, you HYPOCRITE!"

Brent is just moving goalposts to somewhere outside people's control so he can accuse people of hypocrisy.  Does that count as setting things up for personal attacks?

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by olofscience