Third Class Medical in the News Again,...

[theonlyski 8]

chemist

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Riggers don't need medicals.

Well there you go. I learn something new everyday.

So why the hell is that guy offended I didn't know AFF instructor's need medicals? I mean, if even rigger's don't need them, and TI's don't need them, it follows AFFI's don't need them either.

I still don't see how me assuming AFFI's don't need medicals is me not knowing my facts?

I don't see anything about you saying anything about AFFI and medicals. I searched the whole page and didn't find anything that said AFFI that looks relevant.

The only statement I saw from you about medicals required were for riggers and TI's.

Let's just clear it up:

Only two people at the DZ are required to have medicals:
The pilot is required to have a 2nd class (FAA)
The TI is required to have a 3rd class (USPA/MFG)

Nobody else on the DZ is required to have any FAA medical. Easy nuff?

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[NWFlyer 2]

chemist

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Riggers don't need medicals.

Well there you go. I learn something new everyday.

So why the hell is that guy offended I didn't know AFF instructor's need medicals? I mean, if even rigger's don't need them, and TI's don't need them, it follows AFFI's don't need them either.

I still don't see how me assuming AFFI's don't need medicals is me not knowing my facts?

You're not my doctor, you're just some random wannabe doctor on the internet, so you don't offend me. Annoy me, maybe, but I wouldn't go so far as to say offended.

I would, however, be offended if my own doctor presented things as facts that, in fact, weren't facts. I know my doctor has a lot more training, knowledge, and experience in medicine than I do, and I expect her to apply that knowledge to helping me make decisions about my own health. If she knows things to be facts, she can present them as such. Otherwise, though, she shouldn't represent them as such, and if she did (and I busted her on it) I would probably find another doctor.

(Just in case we're unclear on definitions: Assumptions facts. Opinions facts. Conclusions based on erroneous information facts.)

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[chemist 0]

NWFlyer

If she knows things to be facts, she can present them as such. Otherwise, though, she shouldn't represent them as such, and if she did (and I busted her on it) I would probably find another doctor.

(Just in case we're unclear on definitions: Assumptions <> facts. Opinions <> facts. Conclusions based on erroneous information <> facts.)

I never presented anything as fact, I said I THOUGHT only riggers and TI's needed medicals but not skydive instructors.

The key word there is THOUGHT.

[mjosparky 4]

chemist

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Riggers don't need medicals.

Well there you go. I learn something new everyday.

So why the hell is that guy offended I didn't know AFF instructor's need medicals? I mean, if even rigger's don't need them, and TI's don't need them, it follows AFFI's don't need them either.

I still don't see how me assuming AFFI's don't need medicals is me not knowing my facts?

You didn’t offend me, you don’t mean enough to me or my life to offend. I do get my panties in a knot when people run their mouth and have no idea what they are talking about.

Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[chemist 0]

mjosparky

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Riggers don't need medicals.

Well there you go. I learn something new everyday.

So why the hell is that guy offended I didn't know AFF instructor's need medicals? I mean, if even rigger's don't need them, and TI's don't need them, it follows AFFI's don't need them either.

I still don't see how me assuming AFFI's don't need medicals is me not knowing my facts?

You didn’t offend me, you don’t mean enough to me or my life to offend. I do get my panties in a knot when people run their mouth and have no idea what they are talking about.

Sparky

you sure did have a strong reaction to my lack of caring who is required to have med certs

[Ron 10]

chemist

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Riggers don't need medicals.

Well there you go. I learn something new everyday.

So why the hell is that guy offended I didn't know AFF instructor's need medicals? I mean, if even rigger's don't need them, and TI's don't need them, it follows AFFI's don't need them either.

I still don't see how me assuming AFFI's don't need medicals is me not knowing my facts?

You didn’t offend me, you don’t mean enough to me or my life to offend. I do get my panties in a knot when people run their mouth and have no idea what they are talking about.

Sparky

you sure did have a strong reaction to my lack of caring who is required to have med certs

His strong reaction was to you trying to pass off information that was made up.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[chemist 0]

Ron

His strong reaction was to you trying to pass off information that was made up.

I sincerely apologize for presenting bad information. Someone could read that and take it to mean riggers need medicals.

[DBCOOPER 5]

Actually a pilot doesn't actually have to have a Class two medical to fly skydivers.

Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon

If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.

[DanG 1]

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Actually a pilot doesn't actually have to have a Class two medical to fly skydivers.

You're not about to make the "not a commercial operation" argument, are you? I believe that's been thoroughly debunked.

- Dan G

[Ron 10]

DanG

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Actually a pilot doesn't actually have to have a Class two medical to fly skydivers.

You're not about to make the "not a commercial operation" argument, are you? I believe that's been thoroughly debunked.

It is not debunked. As long as the pilot is not being compensated (and the FAA see's flight time as compensation, so he has to 'share the cost'). And as long as the jumpers are not paying anything more than the shared cost.... And it is not a commercial operation.... Then it is perfectly fine for a private pilot to fly a load of jumpers.

So if you, me and a few others want to all chip in a few bucks to cover gas and aircraft rental, I am legally allowed to fly you and your buddies.

For that matter, if you want to jump my aircraft (that has the STC to fly with the door removed) I can fly you ALL DAY and be perfectly legal.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[DBCOOPER 5]

DanG

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Actually a pilot doesn't actually have to have a Class two medical to fly skydivers.

You're not about to make the "not a commercial operation" argument, are you? I believe that's been thoroughly debunked.

No, commercially, like in an Otter.

Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon

If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.

[DanG 1]

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It is not debunked. As long as the pilot is not being compensated (and the FAA see's flight time as compensation, so he has to 'share the cost'). And as long as the jumpers are not paying anything more than the shared cost.... And it is not a commercial operation.... Then it is perfectly fine for a private pilot to fly a load of jumpers.

So if you, me and a few others want to all chip in a few bucks to cover gas and aircraft rental, I am legally allowed to fly you and your buddies.

For that matter, if you want to jump my aircraft (that has the STC to fly with the door removed) I can fly you ALL DAY and be perfectly legal.

Sure. And since this basically never happens, it is a little misleading to not include all these caveats in the statement.

- Dan G

[DanG 1]

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No, commercially, like in an Otter.

Please elaborate.

- Dan G

[Ron 10]

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Sure. And since this basically never happens, it is a little misleading to not include all these caveats in the statement.

I have seen it happen quite a bit. In fact, I know quite a few people that basically have boogies at their house. What you would call "Airshows" is just some people having a good time.

Yes, there are restrictions. But claiming something that can be done can't be done is not any more correct than claiming something that can't be done can be done.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[mjosparky 4]

DBCOOPER

Actually a pilot doesn't actually have to have a Class two medical to fly skydivers.

You are right he can have a Class One Med.

Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[DBCOOPER 5]

There seems to be a lot of people here that think they know the FARs. Hell half of the Feds don't know them.

Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon

If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.

[mjosparky 4]

DBCOOPER

There seems to be a lot of people here that think they know the FARs. Hell half of the Feds don't know them.

Then may you would like to share with class.

Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[DBCOOPER 5]

No, you got it. The rest of the class doesn't.

Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon

If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.

[DanG 1]

So, you're saying a pilot doesn't need a 2nd class because he can have a first class? That's just silly semantics and you know it. Saying that a pilot doesn't need a second class implies that he can use a lower class medical, and least that's how people will read it.

Will you also claim that the pilot doesn't need a commercial ticket?

And then come back the next day and say that's because he can have an ATP? Of course that is technicaly true, but the first statement by itself is misleadng.

- Dan G

[DBCOOPER 5]

No your not quite understanding the rules again. You can't have an ATP without having a commercial...

Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon

If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.

[DanG 1]

Can you have a 1st Class without qualifying for a 2nd Class medical?

- Dan G

[DBCOOPER 5]

After 6 months a first class becomes a second class and after a year it becomes a third class. So no. A first class physical is the same as a second class with the addition of an EKG.

Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon

If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea.

[normiss 893]

Depending on how he wants to play the semantics, I would say yes.

[DanG 1]

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So no. A first class physical is the same as a second class with the addition of an EKG.

So, instead of cryptically saying, "A pilot for a commercial DZ doesn't need a second class medical," it would be much less misleading to say, "A pilot for a commercial DZ needs a second class medical, or above."

And, for completeness, "A pilot for a commercial DZ needs a commercial certificate, or better."

Of course, I expect someone to come along and claim none of that is true, so long as the commercial DZ does all it's jumping out of balloons.

- Dan G

[chemist 0]

DanG

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So no. A first class physical is the same as a second class with the addition of an EKG.

So, instead of cryptically saying, "A pilot for a commercial DZ doesn't need a second class medical," it would be much less misleading to say, "A pilot for a commercial DZ needs a second class medical, or above."

And, for completeness, "A pilot for a commercial DZ needs a commercial certificate, or better."

Of course, I expect someone to come along and claim none of that is true, so long as the commercial DZ does all it's jumping out of balloons.

ok. There is nothing in the FARs that says it is against the rules for a passenger to voluntarily exit your aircraft whilst your are PIC.

That being said, there is a difference between technicalities and the real world. In the real world it is highly impractical even though it could be done legally. You could have a skydiver leave your airplane while only holding a 3rd class medical.