War Crimes don't have an excuse

[JoeWeber 2,907]

Maybe the hospital that was hit in Gaza causing +/-200 casualties was a misguided Hamas rocket as Israel is now claiming. But for the sake of argument, and as we await what we will learn as the attacks on Gaza continue, can we all agree that attacks on civilians outside of world at war scenarios, where millions of lives are at stake and options are few, are war crimes? 

[Phil1111 1,158]

"In 2009, the Russian Duma made a change in the Military Commissions Act to label anyone who materially supports hostilities against the Russian State. as an "unprivileged enemy belligerent." As a result, civilians who tacitly support an enemy regime or terrorist organization may be lawfully targeted. Unfortunately, the amendment drew no distinction between those who did so voluntarily and those who did so involuntarily. It other words, a civilian actively helping a terrorist might be construed to be a combatant. "

Well Russia has a position!
 

[JerryBaumchen 1,454]

21 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Maybe the hospital that was hit in Gaza causing +/-200 casualties was a misguided Hamas rocket as Israel is now claiming. But for the sake of argument, and as we await what we will learn as the attacks on Gaza continue, can we all agree that attacks on civilians outside of world at war scenarios, where millions of lives are at stake and options are few, are war crimes? 

Hi Joe,

As I have watched to news since 7 Oct, I have noticed that when any Palestinian is being interviewed, he/her is outraged at what Israel is doing.  Not one time have I heard any Palestinian anywhere condemn the attacks by Hamas.

So, just who are the bad guys?

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Yes, I stand with Israel.

 

[JoeWeber 2,907]

25 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

As I have watched to news since 7 Oct, I have noticed that when any Palestinian is being interviewed, he/her is outraged at what Israel is doing.  Not one time have I heard any Palestinian anywhere condemn the attacks by Hamas.

So, just who are the bad guys?

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Yes, I stand with Israel.

 

Hamas did for the Palestinians in Gaza what a government does: provide social services and security. I'm not surprised that a Hamas supporting Palestinian, not too unlike a Trump supporting Republican,  has little bad to say.

[Phil1111 1,158]

35 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

As I have watched to news since 7 Oct, I have noticed that when any Palestinian is being interviewed, he/her is outraged at what Israel is doing.  Not one time have I heard any Palestinian anywhere condemn the attacks by Hamas.

So, just who are the bad guys?

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Yes, I stand with Israel.

 

Like FOX, Hamas TV gives its audience the straight story as to who started the war. In an interview for a US journalist Abu Marzouk—a longtime Hamas political leader stated "that Hamas fighters hadn’t executed civilians or committed atrocities. Such violence may have been done, he suggested, by Palestinian militants and civilians who had followed Hamas fighters through openings in the security wall."

[JoeWeber 2,907]

13 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Like FOX, Hamas TV gives its audience the straight story as to who started the war. In an interview for a US journalist Abu Marzouk—a longtime Hamas political leader stated "that Hamas fighters hadn’t executed civilians or committed atrocities. Such violence may have been done, he suggested, by Palestinian militants and civilians who had followed Hamas fighters through openings in the security wall."

Some of my posts here may have given the impression that I am sympathetic to Hamas. I am not. They are cruel and wrong, especially now. I am however sympathetic to what caused Hamas to be who they are today.

[ryoder 1,590]

27 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Like FOX, Hamas TV gives its audience the straight story as to who started the war. In an interview for a US journalist Abu Marzouk—a longtime Hamas political leader stated "that Hamas fighters hadn’t executed civilians or committed atrocities. Such violence may have been done, he suggested, by Palestinian militants and civilians who had followed Hamas fighters through openings in the security wall."

Obviously, it was yet another false flag operation by Antifa.

[gowlerk 2,267]

78 years ago a great wrong of biblical proportions was done to the Jewish people by Western European civilization. Then a second wrong was done to eastern civilization supported by the west in an attempt to make two wrongs equal a right. With God on our side. 

[Stumpy 284]

6 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Yes, I stand with Israel.

 

Israel - who bombed a hospital?

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

4 hours ago, Stumpy said:

Israel - who bombed a hospital?

May have.

Hamas is claiming that Israel did it.

Israel is claiming that Hamas did it.

Both are plausible. 

[winsor 236]

58 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

May have.

Hamas is claiming that Israel did it.

Israel is claiming that Hamas did it.

Both are plausible. 

BDA shows that it was a short round from Gaza.

Israel has no reason to hit a hospital and every reason to avoid doing so. 

The nice people in Gaza seem to have fucked up and had a rocket fail.

Anyone with experience with things that go bang can point out the characteristics of the point of impact that point to the damage being caused by the local team.

Having screwed the pooch, SOP has them blaming Israel.  The reality is that we didn't do it.

End of story.

[billvon 3,096]

5 hours ago, Stumpy said:

Israel - who bombed a hospital?

Yep.  

And now Hamas will move their headquarters to daycare centers.  And if the daycare center gets bombed, they will move on to old folk's home.  That way they at least get good propaganda if their leaders are killed.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

13 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Joe,

As I have watched to news since 7 Oct, I have noticed that when any Palestinian is being interviewed, he/her is outraged at what Israel is doing.  Not one time have I heard any Palestinian anywhere condemn the attacks by Hamas.

So, just who are the bad guys?

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Yes, I stand with Israel.

 

Just like Republicans have convinced themselves the FBI and DOJ are the bad guys and should be eradicated, Palestinians have convinced themselves Hamas isn't that bad. Same reasoning.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

12 hours ago, Slim King said:

Is this in the area where Israel told them to leave because they were going to attack? Do you think that Hamas uses human shields? I want the killing to stop. Palestine needs to turn over the Hamas murderers and end this thing. War is a Scam.....

Who do you think Palestine is?

[jakee 1,585]

13 hours ago, Slim King said:

Is this in the area where Israel told them to leave because they were going to attack? Do you think that Hamas uses human shields? I want the killing to stop. Palestine needs to turn over the Hamas murderers and end this thing. War is a Scam.....

The government and military of Gaza is Hamas. How are they going to be handed over? Who can do that without fighting them?

[ryoder 1,590]

34 minutes ago, jakee said:

The government and military of Gaza is Hamas. How are they going to be handed over? Who can do that without fighting them?

I expect anyone attempting to do so would have the same life expectancy as a prisoner attempting to hand over a member of the prison gang.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

37 minutes ago, jakee said:

The government and military of Gaza is Hamas. How are they going to be handed over? Who can do that without fighting them?

I don't think he knows what Palestine is, who controls (portions of) it or any of the history behind it all.

[brenthutch 444]

14 hours ago, ryoder said:

Obviously, it was yet another false flag operation by Antifa.

Not ANTIFA, it was Black Lives Matter 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chicago-city-council-israel-resolution-debra-silverstein-hamas-black-lives-matter-c1b19dc9

[winsor 236]

The following tweet seems to cover most of the bases:

Robert Sterling

 

@RobertMSterling

 

It’s been amazing this week to watch the left invert every rhetorical device they’ve used since 2020, all to avoid having to criticize terrorists dedicated to Jewish genocide. It would be hilarious, if it weren’t so reprehensible.

 

2020: Silence is violence.

2023: People can’t be expected to comment on every situation. It’s okay to just keep silent, especially while events are still unfolding.

————————

2020: If you’re nitpicking small details instead of focusing on the big picture, you’re doing so to avoid your complicity in atrocities.

2023: 40 babies weren’t actually beheaded. 40 babies may have been killed, and some of them may have been beheaded, but that’s not the same as 40 getting beheaded. Details matter.

————————

2020: Universities must proactively take a stand and speak out in opposition to racism. “Academic freedom” is a false concept used to enforce oppression.

2023: Universities need to maintain neutrality and ensure that they do not make any statements that jeopardize the principle of academic freedom, which is a paramount virtue in the realm of scholarship.

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2020: You must immediately and forcefully condemn an attack, even if investigations are ongoing.

2023: You can’t expect us to release statements opposing an attack within four days, when the facts are still being discovered. Israel hasn’t even allowed UN investigators at the scenes of these “alleged massacres.”

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2020: People are responsible for their words, even if they are just working-class teenagers in small towns. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences.

2023: Graduate students at the most prestigious university in the world are just kids and cannot be held accountable for statements they sign. This is cancel culture.

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2020: Believe all women.

2023: Where is the physical evidence of these “alleged rapes”?

————————

2020: It’s not enough to be non-racist. If you are not actively anti-racist, it means that you are, in fact, racist. 2023: How dare you question whether I support terrorists just because I haven’t actively spoken out against Hamas freedom fighters. ————————

2020: We don’t get to tell people in affected communities how to deal with their pain in the aftermath of violence.

2023: It is Israel’s responsibility to ensure that violence doesn’t escalate.

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2020: Anything that disproportionately affects one group of people is oppression and must be condemned.

2023: Settlers—a term that includes all Israeli Jews—are not civilians and are therefore all valid targets for attacks.

 

You can't fix stupid. 

Ron White

[Stumpy 284]

On 10/18/2023 at 3:08 AM, JoeWeber said:

can we all agree that attacks on civilians outside of world at war scenarios, where millions of lives are at stake and options are few, are war crimes? 

Agreed.

[lippy 918]

2 hours ago, winsor said:

The following tweet seems to cover most of the bases:

Robert Sterling

 

@RobertMSterling

 

It’s been amazing this week to watch the left invert every rhetorical device they’ve used since 2020, all to avoid having to criticize terrorists dedicated to Jewish genocide. It would be hilarious, if it weren’t so reprehensible.

 

2020: Silence is violence.

2023: People can’t be expected to comment on every situation. It’s okay to just keep silent, especially while events are still unfolding.

————————

2020: If you’re nitpicking small details instead of focusing on the big picture, you’re doing so to avoid your complicity in atrocities.

2023: 40 babies weren’t actually beheaded. 40 babies may have been killed, and some of them may have been beheaded, but that’s not the same as 40 getting beheaded. Details matter.

————————

2020: Universities must proactively take a stand and speak out in opposition to racism. “Academic freedom” is a false concept used to enforce oppression.

2023: Universities need to maintain neutrality and ensure that they do not make any statements that jeopardize the principle of academic freedom, which is a paramount virtue in the realm of scholarship.

————————

2020: You must immediately and forcefully condemn an attack, even if investigations are ongoing.

2023: You can’t expect us to release statements opposing an attack within four days, when the facts are still being discovered. Israel hasn’t even allowed UN investigators at the scenes of these “alleged massacres.”

————————

2020: People are responsible for their words, even if they are just working-class teenagers in small towns. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences.

2023: Graduate students at the most prestigious university in the world are just kids and cannot be held accountable for statements they sign. This is cancel culture.

————————

2020: Believe all women.

2023: Where is the physical evidence of these “alleged rapes”?

————————

2020: It’s not enough to be non-racist. If you are not actively anti-racist, it means that you are, in fact, racist. 2023: How dare you question whether I support terrorists just because I haven’t actively spoken out against Hamas freedom fighters. ————————

2020: We don’t get to tell people in affected communities how to deal with their pain in the aftermath of violence.

2023: It is Israel’s responsibility to ensure that violence doesn’t escalate.

————————

2020: Anything that disproportionately affects one group of people is oppression and must be condemned.

2023: Settlers—a term that includes all Israeli Jews—are not civilians and are therefore all valid targets for attacks.

 

You can't fix stupid. 

Ron White

Good to see your playbook hasn't changed...holding up a caricature (or 9 caricatures) of 'the woke' as evidence that anybody who's not in lockstep with you on the issue doesn't have a valid point.  Ron White was right indeed.

[jakee 1,585]

3 hours ago, winsor said:

The following tweet seems to cover most of the bases:

Robert Sterling

 

@RobertMSterling

 

It’s been amazing this week to watch the left invert every rhetorical device they’ve used since 2020, all to avoid having to criticize terrorists dedicated to Jewish genocide. It would be hilarious, if it weren’t so reprehensible.

 

2020: Silence is violence.

2023: People can’t be expected to comment on every situation. It’s okay to just keep silent, especially while events are still unfolding.

————————

2020: If you’re nitpicking small details instead of focusing on the big picture, you’re doing so to avoid your complicity in atrocities.

2023: 40 babies weren’t actually beheaded. 40 babies may have been killed, and some of them may have been beheaded, but that’s not the same as 40 getting beheaded. Details matter.

————————

2020: Universities must proactively take a stand and speak out in opposition to racism. “Academic freedom” is a false concept used to enforce oppression.

2023: Universities need to maintain neutrality and ensure that they do not make any statements that jeopardize the principle of academic freedom, which is a paramount virtue in the realm of scholarship.

————————

2020: You must immediately and forcefully condemn an attack, even if investigations are ongoing.

2023: You can’t expect us to release statements opposing an attack within four days, when the facts are still being discovered. Israel hasn’t even allowed UN investigators at the scenes of these “alleged massacres.”

————————

2020: People are responsible for their words, even if they are just working-class teenagers in small towns. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences.

2023: Graduate students at the most prestigious university in the world are just kids and cannot be held accountable for statements they sign. This is cancel culture.

————————

2020: Believe all women.

2023: Where is the physical evidence of these “alleged rapes”?

————————

2020: It’s not enough to be non-racist. If you are not actively anti-racist, it means that you are, in fact, racist. 2023: How dare you question whether I support terrorists just because I haven’t actively spoken out against Hamas freedom fighters. ————————

2020: We don’t get to tell people in affected communities how to deal with their pain in the aftermath of violence.

2023: It is Israel’s responsibility to ensure that violence doesn’t escalate.

————————

2020: Anything that disproportionately affects one group of people is oppression and must be condemned.

2023: Settlers—a term that includes all Israeli Jews—are not civilians and are therefore all valid targets for attacks.

 

You can't fix stupid. 

Ron White

Yeah - every base except providing a source for any of those purported comments. Who is this ‘left’ who is saying these things? It ain’t the mainstream Democrat party. It sure as hell ain’t Joe Biden. It ain’t even AOC. So who is it?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Yeah - every base except providing a source for any of those purported comments. Who is this ‘left’ who is saying these things? It ain’t the mainstream Democrat party. It sure as hell ain’t Joe Biden. It ain’t even AOC. So who is it?

You forget that Winsor is so smart that he only needs verified data to prove you are wrong, he never needs it to prove he is right.

[billvon 3,096]

3 hours ago, jakee said:

Yeah - every base except providing a source for any of those purported comments. Who is this ‘left’ who is saying these things? It ain’t the mainstream Democrat party. It sure as hell ain’t Joe Biden. It ain’t even AOC. So who is it?

Well, a lot of it is republicans.  The whole "the accusations against (some democrat) must be taken 100% seriously!  How DARE you claim the women are lying, you woman-hater!" followed by Trump's "all 16 of the women are lying" comes to mind.

I mean, keep in mind that this is right out of the far right's playbook.  Democrat does that: "they are lying hypocrites!  They should be in JAIL!"  Republican does that: "It's fake news!  It's not?  OK well both sides do it, not a big deal."

[winsor 236]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

You forget that Winsor is so smart that he only needs verified data to prove you are wrong, he never needs it to prove he is right.

A PA really doesn't warrant refutation.  You're right, as far as you can tell.