Elon Musk Blames Twitter Collapse on Jews

[gowlerk 2,267]

4 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

How we get that genie back in the bottle given our current political situation is beyond my ken.

Ken says Jakee has a strong point. You can't have it both ways. Is Musk and Starlink a hero or a goat in this conflict? I wonder if maybe he should have a seat at the UN.

[Phil1111 1,157]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Second, what makes you think the DoD would have done anything different? ...

The DOD has never restricted Ukrainian offensive/defensive operation in Ukrainian territory, i.e. Crimea.

1 hour ago, jakee said:

... Ukraine asked Musk to enable Starlink for an attack on Sevastopol, Musk refused. What's the difference?...

Putin is the only one who considers Crimea a part of Russia. Its not as above re DOD.

1 hour ago, jakee said:

...To be clear, I think they're both wrong in refusing more help with offensive operations. But it doesn't make sense to focus all the outrage on the man child, he isn't the one whose decisions are doing the most damage.

Agree. But there is not allot of "outrage" The incremental increases in supplying weapons is a mistake. For all the foot dragging Biden has done he has shown leadership thats typically been absent from European countries. In spearheading an alliance against Russia. Keep in mind that Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 not 2022. Germany and many EU countries were still pressing ahead with Nord Stream prior to 2022. Putin should have been sent a message in 2014. But alas nobody showed sufficient leadership then.

Sanctions busting is a worse offense than what Musk did: UK purchases of Russian-origin jet fuel worth at least £40m to the Kremlin

[JoeWeber 2,901]

41 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Ken says Jakee has a strong point. You can't have it both ways. Is Musk and Starlink a hero or a goat in this conflict? I wonder if maybe he should have a seat at the UN.

You're not my Ken. My Ken grasps nuance. Nor would my Ken offer a false choice based on a false narrative. Musk should not have been allowed to make any seemingly generous offer of satellite communications to further Ukraines war effort in the first place without agreement by the US DoD that control would vest with the US DoD. He wasn't sending containers of Big Mac's and Whoppers, he was sending targeting capability to the Ukrainian Military. That it was all done so sloppily that he retained the rights to say no to some targets was not to smart on DOD's part. Also, that we have morbidly rich loose cannons who can do so and with apparent impunity is, I think, a real problem.

[Phil1111 1,157]

2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

You're not my Ken. My Ken grasps nuance. Nor would my Ken offer a false choice based on a false narrative. Musk should not have been allowed to make any seemingly generous offer of satellite communications to further Ukraines war effort in the first place without agreement by the US DoD that control would vest with the US DoD. He wasn't sending containers of Big Mac's and Whoppers, he was sending targeting capability to the Ukrainian Military. That it was all done so sloppily that he retained the rights to say no to some targets was not to smart on DOD's part. Also, that we have morbidly rich loose cannons who can do so and with apparent impunity is, I think, a real problem.

Agree. intelligence in a battle or a war is as important as bullets, missiles and troops. Secure communications and satellite imagery are in the purview of private companies today. Imagine private AI on the battlefield in the future. Bombarding the enemy with false information and altered data.

Clearly congress has been too busy with distractions.

[gowlerk 2,267]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Also, that we have morbidly rich loose cannons who can do so and with apparent impunity is, I think, a real problem.

He is in a rather unique position. The fact is that there is no other organization, government or private, in a position to provide what he can provide. What do you suggest be done about that fact?

[JoeWeber 2,901]

11 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Agree. intelligence in a battle or a war is as important as bullets, missiles and troops. Secure communications and satellite imagery are in the purview of private companies today. Imagine private AI on the battlefield in the future. Bombarding the enemy with false information and altered data.

Clearly congress has been too busy with distractions.

No matter, my pallet of fine Wine and aged Rum, as confirmed by Apple Air Tags, is now in Bonner Springs, Kansas. Soon it'll be in Miami and then containerized for delivery to the Peoples Republic of Joe currently in Bocas Del Toros Panama. Then I am outa here and all of these problems I will leave to ya'alls kind and capable attentions.

[JoeWeber 2,901]

1 minute ago, gowlerk said:

He is in a rather unique position. The fact is that there is no other organization, government or private, in a position to provide what he can provide. What do you suggest be done about that fact?

Not be a self aggrandizing prick, would be a good start. You know, like pick up the phone and tell our government he can help and whats the best way. You know, the little things that narcissists don't do.

[gowlerk 2,267]

15 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Not be a self aggrandizing prick, would be a good start. You know, like pick up the phone and tell our government he can help and whats the best way. You know, the little things that narcissists don't do.

Well, I agree with your assessment of the man. But the question is, what would you do about it?

[JoeWeber 2,901]

26 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Well, I agree with your assessment of the man. But the question is, what would you do about it?

Before or after?

[jakee 1,584]

6 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

The DOD has never restricted Ukrainian offensive/defensive operation in Ukrainian territory, i.e. Crimea.

It absolutely has, by refusing to provide the capability to attack it. Capability that Ukrainians are begging for. That’s no different to Musk’s refusal to open Starlink access in and around Crimea. (Note, the initial report that it was available and he turned it off appears to be false)

[Phil1111 1,157]

6 hours ago, jakee said:

It absolutely has, by refusing to provide the capability to attack it. Capability that Ukrainians are begging for. That’s no different to Musk’s refusal to open Starlink access in and around Crimea. (Note, the initial report that it was available and he turned it off appears to be false)

I disagree considering that the DOD is subservient to the president and his political objectives/decisions/whims. The DOD is also supplying Ukraine with almost real time AWACS support, satellite imagery and other intelligence.As are other EU allies.

[Phil1111 1,157]

9 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

No matter, my pallet of fine Wine and aged Rum, as confirmed by Apple Air Tags, is now in Bonner Springs, Kansas. Soon it'll be in Miami and then containerized for delivery to the Peoples Republic of Joe currently in Bocas Del Toros Panama. Then I am outa here and all of these problems I will leave to ya'alls kind and capable attentions.

You do know that other SC posters are forced to rely upon wines like Two buck Chuck "Fine Select" and Costco rum? That it may take an entire Canadian cold winter to clear the smoke from our lungs after this summer?

[jakee 1,584]

1 hour ago, Phil1111 said:

I disagree considering that the DOD is subservient to the president and his political objectives/decisions/whims.

How does that affect the reality of what is being supplied and what is being refused? Of course it is political leadership making major DoD weapons supply decisions. I’m pretty sure that’s why Ukraine still doesn’t have the ability to carry out heavy bombardment of Crimea.

[Phil1111 1,157]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

How does that affect the reality of what is being supplied and what is being refused? Of course it is political leadership making major DoD weapons supply decisions. I’m pretty sure that’s why Ukraine still doesn’t have the ability to carry out heavy bombardment of Crimea.

Speaking of Crimea. it appears as though UK and French supplied air launched cruise missiles were used overnight. A Russian LST ship and Kilo class sub were reportedly damaged. Ukraine has severely degraded Russian air defense systems on the western side of the Crimean peninsula. This has allowed Ukraine to reintroduce Bayraktar UCAV drones to that area. They previously had been withdrawn due to Russian airspace control in that area.

[jakee 1,584]

4 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Speaking of Crimea. it appears as though UK and French supplied air launched cruise missiles were used overnight. A Russian LST ship and Kilo class sub were reportedly damaged. Ukraine has severely degraded Russian air defense systems on the western side of the Crimean peninsula. This has allowed Ukraine to reintroduce Bayraktar UCAV drones to that area. They previously had been withdrawn due to Russian airspace control in that area.

Let's hope there's much more to come - though the problem with Storm Shadow / Scalp and Germany's Taurus is just that there aren't many available and MBDA isn't geared up to produce them very quickly either. They can't afford to risk very many of them on missions like this where they might get shot down.