Florida mandates teaching that slavery had benefits to blacks

[ryoder 1,590]

1 minute ago, Phil1111 said:

He probably missed the part where Emmett Till was fourteen years old when he was murdered.

How insecure must a redneck hick be, to worry that a 14yo kid is going to steal his wife???

[winsor 236]

20 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

As part of the 'victim blaming', there were blatant lies about Till's behavior.

Which is pretty typical for him.

Such as?

'Him' who?

[normiss 897]

10 minutes ago, ryoder said:

How insecure must a redneck hick be, to worry that a 14yo kid is going to steal his wife???

The same mindset that thinks immigrant farm workers are here to "steal their jobs".

[winsor 236]

14 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

... you search in vain for justifications instead of admitting you are wrong. 

Get specific.  The interviews I referenced were on a PBS documentary (NOVA?).

The woman who claimed untoward behavior by Till EXAGGERATED, there is nothing to suggest that Till didn't harmlessly flirt.

In the same sense that a child playing with an unexploded cluster bomblet likely wouldn't if the gravity of doing so was made clear, Emmett Till likely would have avoided drawing the attention of the woman who later accused him of whatever exaggeration she conveyed.

I think this thread is a prime example of saying one thing and hearing something else.

 

BSBD,

Winsor 

[Phil1111 1,183]

On 7/25/2023 at 3:53 PM, winsor said:

...., I should respond with a "bless your heart" and let it go.

Yet you didn't!

Bringing into question. Exactly how intelligent is Winsor?

[olofscience 492]

1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

A. As someone who speaks a couple of languages better than she understands them, depending on the accent, slower and a little louder can help — in those languages.

And that's the key - in those languages.

The problem with those Brits I mentioned, is that it's their ONLY strategy, and also *only* in English. It has become a ridiculed stereotype in Europe.

The problem with Winsor's comment is that he presents it as a "trick" that's somehow clever and not very common knowledge.

But anyway, comparing people to mines, cliff faces, other inanimate objects with no decision making or agency, it's a classic victim blaming tactic. As if they had no other choice but to commit the crime.

[winsor 236]

1 minute ago, Phil1111 said:

Yet you didn't!

Bringing into question. Exactly how intelligent is Winsor?

If you have to use personal attacks instead of addressing issues of concern, you have nothing.

[gowlerk 2,277]

3 minutes ago, winsor said:

Get specific.

Okay Winsor, since you don't seem to get it or to be willing to get it I will make it simple. At the time of Till's murder the people who did it and the larger community were allowed to get away with the evil deed by telling each other that he deserved it. What you said in your post was pretty much a repeat of what they told each other at the time. It is sickening. You are perpetuating the evil. It is that simple and no amount of explanation of your reasoning will change that fact. 

[winsor 236]

Nope.

My point is that the family who sent him to Mississippi and the family members with whom he stayed there were fully aware of just how dangerous were the people who killed him, and they failed to make that clear.

He was unaware of how dangerous it was to be friendly with a white woman, and he was murdered as a result.

"Perpetuating the evil?". You're projecting.

[Phil1111 1,183]

11 minutes ago, winsor said:

If you have to use personal attacks instead of addressing issues of concern, you have nothing.

The issues of concern have been broadly and specifically addressed by myself and others. If you think that thats a PA carry on, you're doing fine, brilliant in fact.

[ryoder 1,590]

23 minutes ago, winsor said:

Get specific.  The interviews I referenced were on a PBS documentary (NOVA?).

This one?

PBS - American Experience - The Murder of Emmett Till

 

[gowlerk 2,277]

7 minutes ago, winsor said:

He was unaware of how dangerous it was to be friendly with a white woman, and he was murdered as a result.

He was murdered as a result of murdering murderers torturing and murdering him Winsor. He was not murdered for being friendly, he was murdered for being a black male. And once again you are blaming the victim who was completely innocent of any wrong doing in the incident. Open your mind up to the fact that you are completely and totally wrong here. It is not a grey area. YOU ARE WRONG. Can you hear it clearly now?

[winsor 236]

Not hardly. 

The people from that area who knew how to stay invisible survived.

He unwittingly drew the slightest bit of attention and died.  It's like your basic zombie movie plot.

[normiss 897]

4 minutes ago, winsor said:

Not hardly. 

The people from that area who knew how to stay invisible survived.

He unwittingly drew the slightest bit of attention and died.  It's like your basic zombie movie plot.

Wow.

[gowlerk 2,277]

2 minutes ago, winsor said:

Not hardly. 

The people from that area who knew how to stay invisible survived.

He unwittingly drew the slightest bit of attention and died.  It's like your basic zombie movie plot.

Good Lord, you are a stubborn man. The murderers were not zombies. The jury that acquitted them were not zombies. They were people just like you who blamed Till because they saw him as less than a human with less than the rights of a full citizen. If you had been on that jury would you have voted to convict?

[winsor 236]

2 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

The jury that acquitted them were not zombies. They were people just like you who blamed Till because they saw him as less than a human with less than the rights of a full citizen. If you had been on that jury would you have voted to convict?

Gee, if that isn't a PA I don't know what is.

The people who saw Till as being an animal that needed to be put down were the problem, and Till should have been made acutely aware that he would not be afforded basic human rights.

That you attribute such sentiments to me is projection at best.

[jakee 1,596]

21 minutes ago, winsor said:

Nope.

My point is that the family who sent him to Mississippi and the family members with whom he stayed there were fully aware of just how dangerous were the people who killed him, and they failed to make that clear.

He was unaware of how dangerous it was to be friendly with a white woman, and he was murdered as a result.

This is a lie. That was absolutely definitively not your point.  
 

“By all accounts Emmett Till was told in no uncertain terms that flirting with white women in Mississippi was a Bad Career Move.

Emmett, however, made light of it, claimed to have dated white girls back home, and made a point to demonstrate to his cousins that it was no big deal.  That did not end well.“

“His mother had warned him to be very careful what he said and did when he went down South, since things were different there, and he assured her that he'd be fine.  His cousins said that while in Mississippi he claimed to have dated a white girl back home (Chicago?), and was cavalier about it.

The overall picture that was painted was that of a brash, very naïve and generally typical adolescent, out of his element, who had no idea how dangerous was his environment.”

The most charitable interpretation of what is happening here is that you have changed your mind after your initial posts, and are now blaming everyone else for not knowing that you were going to change your mind when they replied to you. I’m not inclined to believe that this is what’s happening.

[jakee 1,596]

3 minutes ago, winsor said:

The people who saw Till as being an animal that needed to be put down were the problem, and Till should have been made acutely aware that he would not be afforded basic human rights.

He was made acutely aware that he would not be afforded basic human rights. My source for that assertion? You, repeatedly.

4 minutes ago, winsor said:

That you attribute such sentiments to me is projection at best.

It is incredibly disingenuous of you to accuse others of projecting meaning onto your statements while you continue to pretend to be completely unaware of what you have actually said.

[billvon 3,119]

1 hour ago, winsor said:

In the same sense that a child playing with an unexploded cluster bomblet likely wouldn't if the gravity of doing so was made clear, Emmett Till likely would have avoided drawing the attention of the woman who later accused him of whatever exaggeration she conveyed.

I know you know this, but for everyone else:

Emmett Till was tortured and murdered for the attention he attracted.  At first the woman involved claimed that he grabbed her hand and asked "How about a date, baby?"  She struggled free and Till then said "What's the matter baby, can't you take it?"  She freed herself again and he grabbed her and said "you needn't be afraid of me, baby" and said "I've been with white women before."

The woman later admitted she made that part up - and could not really remember the rest.

The only thing everyone agreed on is that at one point, while outside the store, Till whistled.  He was watching a checkers game at the time, and he often whistled at himself because he had a profound stutter.

And whistling at a checkers game outside a store is nothing like a child playing with an unexploded bomb.  And it is NOTHING like suicide.

[jakee 1,596]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

I know you know this, but for everyone else:

Well there’s a thought that raises a few questions. 
If he does know it, why is he saying something different?

If he doesn’t know it, why hasn’t he found out? (It’s really not hard)

And regardless of the above why, at the mere mention of Emmett Till, does he feel the need to point out that ‘if he’d just kept his head down and shut up he’d have been fine, it’s not as simplistic as y’all are making out’? 

[gowlerk 2,277]

58 minutes ago, jakee said:

And regardless of the above why, at the mere mention of Emmett Till, does he feel the need to point out that ‘if he’d just kept his head down and shut up he’d have been fine, it’s not as simplistic as y’all are making out’? 

Because that is how the extreme anti-woke people feel. Only the woke can acknowledge that Emmitt was an innocent victim. Or to get back to the topic of the thread that slaves were victims. 

[kallend 2,150]

8 hours ago, jakee said:

 You said he ignored those warnings because he was brash, naive, cavalier and boastful

Hmmm - sounds like a typical teenager.

[kallend 2,150]

7 hours ago, wmw999 said:

 

B. I completely took the original Emmett Till post as victim-blaming, and I’m a pretty good reader

Wendy P. 

The original Emmett Till post in this thread was #22, by me, and most certainly  did NOT blame the victim.

[winsor 236]

32 minutes ago, kallend said:

The original Emmett Till post in this thread was #22, by me, and most certainly  did NOT blame the victim.

QED

[Phil1111 1,183]

9 hours ago, jakee said:

. You said he ignored those warnings because he was brash, naive, cavalier and boastful. ...

 

1 hour ago, kallend said:

Hmmm - sounds like a typical teenager.

and lots of skydivers.