stratostar 5 #76 February 22, 2006 This is off the topic, but I just saw this posted in the want ad's it a great photo, of some stupid shit with a tandem I thought it would be good to post here in case you all missed it. Can anyone else see an issue with this? ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orange1 0 #77 February 22, 2006 OK then make that video OR live demo i think you know that i was saying Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverjerry 0 #78 February 22, 2006 QuoteThis is off the topic, but I just saw this posted in the want ad's it a great photo, of some stupid shit with a tandem I thought it would be good to post here in case you all missed it. Can anyone else see an issue with this? ~ holy shit thats irresponcible! what supprised me more is that i know both of these people, i could expect it of one but not the other jez 3 d on a tandem what next.life is a journey not to arrive at the grave in a pristine condition but to skid in sideways kicking and screaming, shouting "fuck me what a ride!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #79 February 22, 2006 I don't know any of them but if it was done in the USA that TM should have his rating yanked for good! It is kind of shit that soooooo many newer young ones today think this kind shit is cool and condone it . jez 3 d on a tandem what next. (quote) Well I have already seen a naked headdown tandem drougeless come to think of it, it was the same TM I was thinking of when I posted the poll that did it. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #80 February 22, 2006 Well, what I was saying was that most people instinctively perceive the added dangers of "advanced landing maneuvers" if they see them performed just once. Like: "Steep dive + last second parallel to ground + high speed surf = possibly hurting / always extra danger" vs. "Straight in + nice flare = I'll be all right" A bit like seeing Wilhelm Tell showing his proficiency with a bow and arrow and yet being reluctant to place an apple on top of your head... On the other one that Stratostar placed (picture of freeflyer hanging underneath the tandem) I'm sure that the passenger there will think it is all fun and games, doesn't see any added danger and won't ask "Hey before we do this, has the freeflyer checked the free lenght of his reserve ripcord and the condition of the main loops?" "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #81 February 22, 2006 Quotewhat supprised me more is that i know both of these people, i could expect it of one but not the other jez 3 d on a tandem what next. Was the passenger an experienced skydiver? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RossDagley 0 #82 February 22, 2006 Why hook it at all? What does the typical tandem student gain from it? They're likely first time jumpers, already 'overwhelmed' with the experience of the jump itself, and 99% probably wouldn't even notice the hook turn part of the canopy flight (sure, give them spirals at a safe altitude for the 'g force' and thrill). The risk (imho) simply isn't worth the reward - the student gets little (if anything) out of it, whilst the TM is putting the student at a greater risk - fact. Hook turns on a landing pattern carry a higher risk than a straight in approach, regardless of skill level. So, to surmise, TM's hook for *their* enjoyment, not for the benefit of the student. No point trying to dress it up as anything else. As a tandem student I pay my money to be given the tandem experience in the safest possible manner (within reason). A TM hook turning because they're bored or have done 15+ tandems that day already is, imho, not really on. The only exception to this I could see justified is pre-arranged with a knowing pax. IE, spot of drogueless headdown, some other treehugging stuff, then a 720 front riser approach swooping the pond Edit to add: I forgot to clarify I'm not talking about "I had to hook it it because the winds were such-and-such" moments, I'm talking about regular day-to-day run of the mill tandem landings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #83 February 22, 2006 QuoteI don't know any of them but if it was done in the USA that TM should have his rating yanked for good! The person hanging off the bottom is a Mexican DZO so I'm guessing it was done there...Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #84 February 22, 2006 Remind me to never jump at that Mexican DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #85 February 22, 2006 QuoteRemind me to never jump at that Mexican DZ. looks like very fun Mexican DZ. Remind not to take anyone there for a tandem, though. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divnswoop 0 #86 February 22, 2006 Wonder what most tandem manufactures would say about having hangers on tandems..... I know of two TI's that have had air to air combat with bags and parachutes of cameramen. That's why I think TI's should be allowed to carry cattle prods against cameramen and skydivers!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimoke 0 #87 February 23, 2006 Hybrid tandem whats next? .......maybe a birdman suit for two and squeeze another min. of freefall. hope he doesn't cork or premature. stay safe everyone. okeThe ground always, remembers where you are! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #88 February 23, 2006 >Hybrid tandem whats next? Hook turning tandems, apparently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RossDagley 0 #89 February 23, 2006 Quote>Hybrid tandem whats next? Hook turning tandems, apparently. Very witty Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #90 February 23, 2006 I got a real good Idea what Ted Strong & RWS would say. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverjerry 0 #91 February 23, 2006 QuoteI got a real good Idea what Ted Strong & RWS would say. ~ something like this " dear Mr mexican dzo please dont do hybrids with our vector tandem equipment as it could voide your waranty, and our insurance. o and please come orders some stuff from us you bad boy. grovel grovel the uninsured relative work shop life is a journey not to arrive at the grave in a pristine condition but to skid in sideways kicking and screaming, shouting "fuck me what a ride!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #92 February 23, 2006 QuoteI got a real good Idea what Ted Strong & RWS would say. "They're in Mexico. We can't do a hell of a lot."? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #93 February 23, 2006 We have a winner! But I bet they wouldn't condone it and if it was a strong rig and they could do something there would be one less TM rating holder.But in mexico "we don't need noe stink'n ratings". ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #94 February 23, 2006 You're gonna pick out the guy who has the skill to dock safely on a tandem and say nothing about the fact the student doesn't have a jumpsuit, the jumpmaster doesn't have a helmet or audible, and quite frenkly I don't see an altimeter on either. Ok then.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #95 February 23, 2006 QuoteI don't see an altimeter on either. From the typical way the TI keeps his left hand we may safely conclude he has an altimeter there, though it isn't visible in the picture. A couple of years ago we saw in (I think) Skydiving Mag a picture of a standup on the back of the tandempair and the manufacturer told everybody he was not amused - seeing issues with premature deployment of the tandem. This year I saw a video of a reserve opening on a freeflyer in headdown. ("Ouch!...") I don't know how it is with you but when I'm doing a tandem I'm in the middle of a cylinder of "forbidden airspace". No mexicans allowed there. No "Flyboyzz" allowed there either. Even Olav Zipser not welcome there. But I dislike pictures like these with recognisable faces in the forums. If Stratostar wanted to illustrate a safety issue (where we all know that in some places and circumstances ratings or jobs could be at stake) he could have photoshopped his own pic on both of them...(hat, sunglasses, beard... for all I know he IS a mexican in disguise...) "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #96 February 23, 2006 QuoteBut I dislike pictures like these with recognisable faces in the forums. It is posted in a current ad, presumably by the guy who took the shot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #97 February 23, 2006 That's right, my guess was they had nothing to hide by posting it in public and if they didn't want anyone to talk about it or cut and paste it, it shouldn't have been posted for everone in the world to see there face. I am a mexican in disguise, and illegal to, but hey I'm only over here doing a job the gringos don't want to do, skydiving instructor and photo cut and paster. ~you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #98 February 23, 2006 I took this as picking on the TI. At least that would be my focus as a S&TA and RWS T I/E.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kissrg 0 #99 February 23, 2006 QuoteEdit to add: I forgot to clarify I'm not talking about "I had to hook it it because the winds were such-and-such" moments, I'm talking about regular day-to-day run of the mill tandem landings. What is safer: Doing hook turns day-to-day or doing it only occasionally when the winds are such-and-such? Robert Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RossDagley 0 #100 February 23, 2006 I agree - my point was some TM's would try and "justify" the hook-turns as "but but but I had to because the winds were dodgy and if I didn't we could have had a collapse" etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
