CO2 emissions going up under Biden

[brenthutch 444]

4 minutes ago, jakee said:

Even though the price of coal now is 4 times as high as it was at the start of 2019? 

Why doesn’t everyone just switch to wind and solar?

[wmw999 2,588]

9 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Why doesn’t everyone just switch to wind and solar?

For the same reason you don't drive to your bedroom from the living room, or go to the ICU for every medical problem. Because large-scale implementations require a variety of options for redundancy. I do prioritize renewable energy with my provider, though. As in, yes, I subsidize it. Eventually it'll get even cheaper.

Wendy P.

[jakee 1,595]

5 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Why doesn’t everyone just switch to wind and solar?

You're so cute when you know you fucked up. 

I still don't know what it is you enjoy out of being this wrong this often.

[billvon 3,116]

14 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Why doesn’t everyone just switch to wind and solar?

Why don't homeowners?  Because some people don't live in a place where they can do that (apartment dwellers.)

Why don't utilities?  Because there are limitations to who can do what.  A utility in Kansas, for example, can't do offshore wind.

However, looked at from a 10,000 foot view, everyone in the US _is_ switching to wind and solar.  Renewables made up 20% of US energy generation in 2021, and that is growing by a few percent a year as people abandon coal for wind and solar.  (And hydro, and geothermal, and biomass etc.)

[wmw999 2,588]

12 minutes ago, billvon said:

as people abandon coal for wind and solar

Note that on an individual basis, most people just take whatever the power company gives them. Which is increasingly not coal. There are all kinds of reasons to abandon it, including the possibility of someday there being more choice, or of a lawsuit due to the air effects of coal when there are better options for the consumers.

Wendy P.

[billvon 3,116]

40 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Note that on an individual basis, most people just take whatever the power company gives them. Which is increasingly not coal.

Yep.  90% of the people out there either don't care, or don't care enough to do anything about it.  They just want cheap power.  That desire, though, is driving much of the conversion, since solar and wind are now much cheaper than anything other than the most efficient combined cycle natural gas plants.

[brenthutch 444]

28 minutes ago, billvon said:

Yep.  90% of the people out there either don't care, or don't care enough to do anything about it.  They just want cheap power.  That desire, though, is driving much of the conversion, since solar and wind are now much cheaper than anything other than the most efficient combined cycle natural gas plants.

And that is why we (the planet) will burn more coal in 2022 than anytime in history! (Only to be eclipsed in 2023 (according to the IEA))

[JoeWeber 2,940]

6 hours ago, wmw999 said:

And is your joy at Pelosi’s retirement enough to be kind of glad at the attack on her husband?

Bingo. End to a means, so entirely acceptable, I reckon. What I don't get is why the specter of that sort of thinking, and how it affects those not just nearby but peripherally and in not only geographical but in today and tomorrow terms, sits so easily with some. I get it that I'm my own version and that a lot of folks have ample, and probably very defensible, reasons for judging me an asshole. But I can only hope that no one can ever claim that I took favor, profit, or political gain from another's misfortune. Please note that I excluded schadenfreude, something from which none of us can honestly claim exemption.

[brenthutch 444]

21 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Bingo. End to a means, so entirely acceptable, I reckon. What I don't get is why the specter of that sort of thinking, and how it affects those not just nearby but peripherally and in not only geographical but in today and tomorrow terms, sits so easily with some. I get it that I'm my own version and that a lot of folks have ample, and probably very defensible, reasons for judging me an asshole. But I can only hope that no one can ever claim that I took favor, profit, or political gain from another's misfortune. Please note that I excluded schadenfreude, something from which none of us can honestly claim exemption.

I really don’t care about Pelosi’s husband. It really doesn’t matter to me if it was a gay prostitution deal gone bad. It’s much better than Nancy no longer being able to screw the country.

[JoeWeber 2,940]

Just now, brenthutch said:

It really doesn’t matter to me if it was a gay prostitution deal gone bad.

Yep, you're just a regular guy without agendas. 

 

[brenthutch 444]

35 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Yep, you're just a regular guy without agendas. 

 

As a libertarian I don’t care about gay prostitution.  If you have a problem with it you may want to think your position. I just don’t want the Ds to pimp our country.

[JoeWeber 2,940]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

As a libertarian I don’t care about gay prostitution.  If you have a problem with it you may want to think your position. I just don’t want the Ds to pimp our country.

When it comes to gay prostitution I am comfortable with my position.

[brenthutch 444]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Yep.  90% of the people out there either don't care, or don't care enough to do anything about it.  They just want cheap power.  That desire, though, is driving much of the conversion, since solar and wind are now much cheaper than anything other than the most efficient combined cycle natural gas plants.

Than why just don’t let natural market forces take control?  I would be 100% on board with renewables if they could compete in the market place. But sadly (for you) they cannot.

[brenthutch 444]

1 minute ago, JoeWeber said:

When it comes to gay prostitution I am comfortable with my position.

Is that pitching or catching?

Just kidding Joe, you know that you are a stand up guy in my book.

[wmw999 2,588]

The same natural forces that lead to year after year rising sales for sodas? The same natural forces that lead to ever-increasing amounts of hormones in beef?

Wendy P.

[JoeWeber 2,940]

1 minute ago, brenthutch said:

Is that pitching or catching?

Just kidding Joe, you know that you are a stand up guy in my book.

Glad that I am a stand up guy in your book. But please know that I have some real stand up guys, and girls, that are both pitchers and catchers (and both) who are my delightful friends. Hence my offense when the discrimination card gets played.

[JoeWeber 2,940]

4 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Glad that I am a stand up guy in your book. But please know that I have some real stand up guys, and girls, that are both pitchers and catchers (and both) who are my delightful friends. Hence my offense when the discrimination card gets played.

I can't say what or where I'm going with this but to be absolutely clear, I struggle with being a participant in a forum where our fellow citizens rights are constantly discussed as being possibilities. If anything causes me to be gone from here it is this.

[billvon 3,116]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

I really don’t care about Pelosi’s husband. It really doesn’t matter to me if it was a gay prostitution deal gone bad. It’s much better than Nancy no longer being able to screw the country.

Based on your posting history - you care about it a great deal.  And you will keep bringing it up, over and over, while saying it doesn't matter to you.

But then gaslighting is pretty much your thing, at least around people who believe your nonsense.

[brenthutch 444]

24 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Glad that I am a stand up guy in your book. But please know that I have some real stand up guys, and girls, that are both pitchers and catchers (and both) who are my delightful friends. Hence my offense when the discrimination card gets played.

No one is discriminating, my original point was that It was none of my business what MR. Pelosi was doing, and no matter what he was doing, he did not deserve to get a hammer in the head

[billvon 3,116]

38 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Than why just don’t let natural market forces take control?

They are taking control.  Which was the point of all the incentives; they got us to this point.

[brenthutch 444]

11 minutes ago, billvon said:

They are taking control.  Which was the point of all the incentives; they got us to this point.

You must not understand what “market forces” are 

Ring the bell……incentives are a market DISTORTION… class dismissed.

Edited December 10, 2022 by brenthutch

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

It’s much better than Nancy no longer being able to screw the country.

When Nancy Pelosi took office the Down Jones was at 2,288.23 today it is 33,476.46. 

She really screwed that up!

Edited December 10, 2022 by SkyDekker

[JoeWeber 2,940]

28 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

No one is discriminating, my original point was that It was none of my business what MR. Pelosi was doing, and no matter what he was doing, he did not deserve to get a hammer in the head

You've totally lost your novelty. 

[billvon 3,116]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

You must not understand what “market forces” are 

Oh right you "teach business."

Enron was an example of a company driven by pure market forces.  SpaceX is an example of a company that benefited from incentives - and responded to market forces.
The Union Carbide factory in Bhopal was an example of a facility driven by pure market forces.  United Airlines is an example of a regulated company that responds to market forces.

Which of those was more successful?  Which ones should we encourage?  (by "we" I mean sane people.)

[jakee 1,595]

6 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Is that pitching or catching?

Just kidding Joe, you know that you are a stand up guy in my book.

Is that somehow a contrast with the possibility of being gay?