safe reserve wing loading

[NWFlyer 2]

JeffCa

I intend to survive an unconscious scenario. My reserve is a 0.8 wingloading

Good on you for stacking the odds in your favor, but don't kid yourself that you're doing anything more than that.

I tell my family and friends who ask about AADs, and what they do for me, that "It takes me from a guarantee of death to a possibility of survival."

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[billvon 3,080]

>But you still flared. What would you be comfortable with if you were unconscious
>and couldn't flare at all?

Manta, based on descent rate in brakes. So about .7 to 1.

[JohnMitchell 16]

***Another good reason to pull for you friends if you find them unconscious in freefall.

[NWFlyer 2]

JohnMitchell

Another good reason to pull for you friends if you find them unconscious in freefall.

Which we know you've done before (and not just for your AFF students). Definitely gives more opportunity for a possible good outcome rather than hoping for line stretch in enough time.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[JohnMitchell 16]

NWFlyer

Which we know you've done before (and not just for your AFF students). Definitely gives more opportunity for a possible good outcome rather than hoping for line stretch in enough time.

Hey, just keep an eye on me when we jump together, okay?

[FlyingRhenquest 1]

Yeah, if I were unconscious, I'd much rather be under my main at 8000 feet than under my reserve at 600. One of these two gives me a little time to wake up...

I'm trying to teach myself how to set things on fire with my mind. Hey... is it hot in here?

[riggerrob 643]

AADs also make work simpler for the coroner. If they find an intact corpse laying beside a open reserve, the investigation and autopsy are much easier.
In recent years, there have been a couple of a fatalities where skydivers died of heart attacks in free fall and their ADDs saved neat corpses.

IOW if the deceased lands under a fully-inflated reserve, far less "screaming and shouting and running abouting" interferes with your buddies enjoying an afternoon of skydiving,

[JohnMitchell 16]

You know, all joking aside, the trauma of watching someone go in is really bad. Inflated reserve is much easier on your friends. I did lose one friend whose AAD fired but received fatal injuries from the uncontrolled reserve landing into obstacles. Bad, bad thing.

[riggerrob 643]

0.8

Aviator (pilot emergency parachutes) are factory-set at roughly half-brakes. Pulling down on a steering toggle results in 3/4 brakes. Flaring an Aviator slows your rate of descent a bit. The main advantage (to flaring an Aviator) is reducing forward speed.
Few pilots have enough muscle to stall an Aviator.
Even no flare landings (Aviator 280) are softer than MIL SPEC rounds because of the ANGLE of arrival. If you land an Aviator 280 no-flare, hands-off, down-wind, in the desert weeds surrounding Lake Elsinore, you easily slide off the excess forward speed. The key word here is FORWARD speed, because the angle of impact makes a huge difference. Human beings are pretty good at absorbing forward impacts, but ask any old para-trooper how much he enjoyed PLFs to the rear!!!
Expect a long string of profanity!!!
Haha!
Haha!
During the 1980s I was a static-line jump-master while the skydiving industry transitioned from rounds to squares. I accredit the vast reduction in student injuries to the change in ANGLE of arrival.

If anyone wonders where I got my opinions about Aviator 280 canopies ???? I evolved those opinions while jumping prototypes during the "live" phase of the TSO drop tests.

[RiggerLee 61]

This idea is too weird to actually go any where, but... If I was going to dump somebody out under a canopy to be delivered like a limp sack of potato's knowing that they were going to be unconscious I think I'd use a modified round but I'd hook it up at ninety deg. so that it would be driving to their left. So realizing that I can't control the wind or direction I'd give them the best chance of having sidewise motion rather then forwards. I'd rather roll out on my side then on my knees and face. I know. It's too weird.

Lee

Lee
lee@velocitysportswear.com
www.velocitysportswear.com

[riggerrob 643]

Can we agree that side-ways PLFs produce the fewest I injuries?
.... Forwards PLFs scrape more knees and hands.
Rearward PLFs are the worst because of spinal compression and whacking the back of your head.

[airtwardo 7]

riggerrob

Can we agree that side-ways PLFs produce the fewest I injuries?
.... Forwards PLFs scrape more knees and hands.
Rearward PLFs are the worst because of spinal compression and whacking the back of your head.

I had my TriCon in backwards, the canopy would facing into the wind but I could see where I was actually going.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[billvon 3,080]

>Can we agree that side-ways PLFs produce the fewest I injuries?

Yes, and I would add that if you can turn a "forward PLF" into a sideways one you are much better off; indeed all good PLF's have a side component, and the more of that the better. Too many people do the "feet knees face" version of PLF because they don't add any sidewards motion.

[BIGUN 1,424]

billvon

>Can we agree that side-ways PLFs produce the fewest I injuries?

Yes, and I would add that if you can turn a "forward PLF" into a sideways one you are much better off; indeed all good PLF's have a side component, and the more of that the better. Too many people do the "feet knees face" version of PLF because they don't add any sidewards motion.

Agreed. Even a rear PLF has a side component to it.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[skyjumpenfool 2]

riggerrob

Can we agree that side-ways PLFs produce the fewest .....................

Can we also agree that no one ever practices PLF's? EVER?

Birdshit & Fools Productions

"Son, only two things fall from the sky."

[mattjw916 2]

if the ground winds are high enough to reduce forward drive to near zero, I'd just add more rotation and trust my rears...

NSCR-2376, SCR-15080

[petejones45 0]

1.5

Look out for the freefly team, Smelly Peppers. Once we get a couple years more experience we will be a force to be reckoned with in the near future! BLUES!