Shipping Migrants

[jakee 1,594]

7 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I laugh at how some of you got your panties all in a bunch when I suggested it was no big deal. 

Next time you’re bothered about some other border situation I’ll be glad to remind you it’s all just a big joke.

[gowlerk 2,274]

2 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I laugh at how some of you got your panties all in a bunch when I suggested it was no big deal. 

And that's the issue. You are just brushing off the effect on the poor people who are in such a bad situation that they are seeking asylum. You appear to have not even a hint of compassion which is very easy for anyone if they do not have actual first hand experience with those. And then when anyone comments you again brush it off with a bullshit comment about "panties in a bunch". Relocating the refugees to other places in the country to spread the burden around is not wrong. Rounding them up and lying to them then arranging for them to be greeted by FOX at their dumping off point is very wrong.

[Phil1111 1,172]

Just now, gowlerk said:

And that's the issue. You are just brushing off the effect on the poor people who are in such a bad situation that they are seeking asylum. You appear to have not even a hint of compassion which is very easy for anyone if they do not have actual first hand experience with those. And then when anyone comments you again brush it off with a bullshit comment about "panties in a bunch". Relocating the refugees to other places in the country to spread the burden around is not wrong. Rounding them up and lying to them then arranging for them to be greeted by FOX at their dumping off point is very wrong.

Why worry about compassion. They are all unskilled "grunt" workers. Who can clean toilets, pick fruit, fix potholes and serve up his Big Mac. Its just too bad that they can't know who their customers are. So they can clean the toilet then immediately serve up the Big Mac.

None are apt to be skilled or educated. Nor Norwegian. So they matter not.

[ryoder 1,590]

Texas sheriff opens probe into DeSantis’s migrant flight to Martha’s Vineyard

The sheriff said that the group of Venezuelan migrants were “lured” from a migrant resource center into traveling to Martha’s Vineyard “under false pretenses.”

According to Salazar, one Venezuelan migrant was paid to recruit the others, who were allegedly promised work and other benefits, before the group was flown first to Florida and then to Massachusetts.

“They were taken to Martha’s Vineyard for, from what we can gather, for little more than a photo op, video op and then they were unceremoniously stranded in Martha’s Vineyard,” he said.

 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

33 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I've said before that I welcome all immigrants.  We need them to do the grunt work no one else will do.  Whether they go to Boston or MV is of little difference.  They are here.  Most came with no idea where they would end up.

I laugh at how some of you got your panties all in a bunch when I suggested it was no big deal. 

Bullshit. All around bullshit.

[JoeWeber 2,936]

6 hours ago, airdvr said:

I don't understand why you all seem to have a problem with this.  Don't you want to open your homes to them?

No, I don't. Of course, for everyone except the most brainwashed conservatives, that's not the point. There is a real conversation to be had about immigration, border control, asylum and even giving citizenship to birth tourists. (BTW, that's what my wealthy Venezuelan friends do) Sadly, that conversation is impossible to have with folks that have blindered and filtered world views.

[billvon 3,110]

4 hours ago, airdvr said:

I laugh at how some of you got your panties all in a bunch when I suggested it was no big deal. 

You should ask that Texas sheriff why he has his panties in a bunch.

Get a friend to record it.  It will be fun.

[jakee 1,594]

8 hours ago, airdvr said:

I've said before that I welcome all immigrants.  We need them to do the grunt work no one else will do.  Whether they go to Boston or MV is of little difference.  They are here.  Most came with no idea where they would end up.

Right, I suppose when people are already frightened and helpless it’s ok to lie to them for a political stunt that emphasise their helplessness. 
 

Kinda like kicking homeless people for fun. They were already at rock bottom, now they’re at rock bottom with bruised ribs, so really what’s the difference?

[BIGUN 1,483]

11 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

And they ARE NOT ILLEGAL!!!!

 They are in the US illegally. 

Definition of illegal alien/immigrant

: a foreign person who is living in a country without having official permission to live there

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/illegal-alien

You should know my grandfather was an Illegal Alien (WOP) and was sent back to Sicily and had to come thru Ellis Island the right way a few years later. 

[BIGUN 1,483]

12 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

And your point is?

If a conservative does it = bad. 

If a liberal does it = he did it the right way,

12 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

What if veterans who are suffering and looking for care are shipped to El Paso? Told that they have all the facilities to look after them?

It looks like this

What's _your_ point other than the art of deflection?

[wmw999 2,584]

13 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

 They are in the US illegally. 

Definition of illegal alien/immigrant

: a foreign person who is living in a country without having official permission to live there

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/illegal-alien

You should know my grandfather was an Illegal Alien (WOP) and was sent back to Sicily and had to come thru Ellis Island the right way a few years later. 

Where do you place asylum seekers in there? It is a valid request according to US law. 

Wendy P. 

[BIGUN 1,483]

31 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

Where do you place asylum seekers

Illegal Aliens, are foreign-born people who do not possess a valid visa or other immigration documentation, because they entered the U.S. without inspection, stayed longer than their temporary visa permitted, or otherwise violated the terms under which they were admitted.

Asylum Seekers, is a person who has left their country and is seeking protection from persecution and in another country This is about them as an individual).

What you guys are talking about is “refugees,” Those who believe the risks to their safety and life were so great that they felt they had no choice but to leave and seek safety outside their country because their own government cannot or will not protect them from those dangers. Refugees have a right to international protection (Think, Ukraine refugees).

With that – what Texas and Florida have been asking for – to no avail – is help in channeling the onslaught of people just crossing the borders into those states. And, no help or support from the federal government in 10 years of a Democratic presidency.

Do you realize that Ellis Island channeled only 2.75 million migrants between 1900-1914 and another 2.3 million between 1924 (after the Emergency Quota Law in 1921) and 1954 when Ellis was closed.  All of that _with_ the federal government’s support.

4.4 Million in one year into Texas (~11,000 arrested for being criminals in their own country). 4.4 Million in one year - Almost the total of a 54 year period that HAD federal support.

We’ve talked about this for years. The federal government could take one of the BRAC bases in the south and turn it into an Ellis island. Not only do those refugees have a right to international protection – US citizens have a right to be protected also.   

[Phil1111 1,172]

3 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

...And, no help or support from the federal government in 10 years of a Democratic presidency.....

Otherwise you had several good points.

[BIGUN 1,483]

42 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Otherwise you had several good points.

OK. Phil. We'll do it your way. 4.4 Million in the last year where Biden is Pres and Kamala is the "Border Czar."

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

 They are in the US illegally. 

Definition of illegal alien/immigrant

: a foreign person who is living in a country without having official permission to live there

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/illegal-alien

You should know my grandfather was an Illegal Alien (WOP) and was sent back to Sicily and had to come thru Ellis Island the right way a few years later. 

Nope.

 

You are wrong.

From the US Citizenship and Immigration services website:

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You may only file this application if you are physically present in the United States, and you are not a U.S. citizen.

If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. 

The word 'permitted' means they have 'permission' to live here while their case is processed.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum

What's the difference between an 'asylum seeker' and a 'refugee'?

Its funny that you blame the government.

Any time ANYONE proposes any sort of change to the immigration rules, the alt-right scream "AMNESTY" from the rooftops until the Rs torpedo it.

[BIGUN 1,483]

1 minute ago, wolfriverjoe said:

What's the difference between an 'asylum seeker' and a 'refugee'?

You didn't read post #62

[kallend 2,146]

4 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Any time ANYONE proposes any sort of change to the immigration rules, the alt-right scream "AMNESTY" from the rooftops until the Rs torpedo it.

The word you seek is "amesty".

[kallend 2,146]

3 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

You didn't read post #62

[gowlerk 2,274]

53 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

With that – what Texas and Florida have been asking for – to no avail – is help in channeling the onslaught of people just crossing the borders into those states. And, no help or support from the federal government in 10 years of a Democratic presidency.

It's funny how this is an issue Texas and Florida can't deal with but California somehow muddles through. That said some national burden sharing is called for at this time.

8 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

OK. Phil. We'll do it your way. 4.4 Million in the last year where Biden is Pres and Kamala is the "Border Czar."

Where did you get that number from? All I can find is a figure from the UN of 4.6 million asylum seekers in the world for all of 2021.

[airdvr 210]

13 hours ago, ryoder said:

Texas sheriff opens probe into DeSantis’s migrant flight to Martha’s Vineyard

The sheriff said that the group of Venezuelan migrants were “lured” from a migrant resource center into traveling to Martha’s Vineyard “under false pretenses.”

According to Salazar, one Venezuelan migrant was paid to recruit the others, who were allegedly promised work and other benefits, before the group was flown first to Florida and then to Massachusetts.

“They were taken to Martha’s Vineyard for, from what we can gather, for little more than a photo op, video op and then they were unceremoniously stranded in Martha’s Vineyard,” he said.

 

They're stranded anywhere they go.  That's the issue.  No one seems to give a shit that Texas border towns are over run with these folks and can't provide the services they need.

Maybe the Obamas will take them in.

[gowlerk 2,274]

1 hour ago, BIGUN said:

4.4 Million in one year into Texas (~11,000 arrested for being criminals in their own country). 4.4 Million in one year - Almost the total of a 54 year period that HAD federal support.

Are you sure the correct number is not 44,000?

[BIGUN 1,483]

6 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Where did you get that number from?

 

OAG Texas Comment_ Laredo Environmental Planning.pdf

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

5 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

You didn't read post #62

Sure did.
 

57 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Asylum Seekers, is a person who has left their country and is seeking protection from persecution and in another country This is about them as an individual).

What you guys are talking about is “refugees,” Those who believe the risks to their safety and life were so great that they felt they had no choice but to leave and seek safety outside their country because their own government cannot or will not protect them from those dangers. Refugees have a right to international protection (Think, Ukraine refugees).

What's the difference?

Ukrainian 'refugees' are fleeing to Europe, in fear for their lives.

South and Central American 'asylum seekers' are fleeing their homes, in fear for their lives.

In either case, they enter the country without prior authorization (visa), present themselves to the immigration authorities, fill out the paperwork and are allowed to stay LEGALLY.

[gowlerk 2,274]

5 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

 

OAG Texas Comment_ Laredo Environmental Planning.pdf 738.44 kB · 0 downloads

You should read that political screed again if you found any reference to 4.4 million asylum seekers in Texas. Although it has a number of alarmist projections that seek to justify a wall on the border all of the numbers I could find refer to "contacts with illegal crossers on the SW border". Which is far bigger than even Texas. Like I said, in all of the world there were 4.6 million asylum seekers last year. I agree that there is a problem and has been for a long time, and that it seems likely to get worse as the world economy deteriorates in the near future. But spreading hyperbole is not going to help it.

[BIGUN 1,483]

11 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

n either case, they enter the country without prior authorization (visa), present themselves to the immigration authorities, fill out the paperwork and are allowed to stay LEGALLY.

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From your link:

You may only file this application if you are physically present in the United States, and you are not a U.S. citizen.

If you are eligible for asylum you may be permitted to remain in the United States. 

 

_IF_ you are eligible. Those that are not and remain or come back after being departed are _illegal_.

Edited September 20, 2022 by BIGUN