ChrisL 2 #2 March 28, 2006 What is an "IRM"?__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #3 March 28, 2006 Quote What is an "IRM"? Instructional Rating Manual. I've gotta have one for my coach course cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #4 March 28, 2006 buy it MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #5 March 28, 2006 Because you might was well get used to spending money on your ratings even before you get them Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #6 March 28, 2006 Know that stuff in your wallet? They want some of it. That's why.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #7 March 28, 2006 haha, touché. The problem I'm running into is taht Wells Fargo accidentally marked my CC as stolen, and I have to wait for a replacement before I can order my IRM for my coach course (thanks guys. This is the second time in under a year...), so I was like "Oh, I'll just download it.", but no joy. Should prove interesting.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #8 March 28, 2006 I think you can (or at leasat could) download the parts you need for the coach course. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #9 March 28, 2006 Maybe in the past. THere's an "IRM Essentials" download, but it says it's not complete for course work when you look at it.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyGoat 0 #10 March 29, 2006 For the same reason you have to buy text books for college. At least with skydiving ratings a good day of work at the DZ and you'll make your money back. Plus, you will reference that book alot in the future so I think the IRM and SIM are a good and necessary purchase for all instructors._________________________ goat derka jerka bukkake jihad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #11 March 29, 2006 For about a year a while ago they wouldn't even release the SIM electronically. I have email from the executive director plainly telling me that they couldn't afford the loss of income from "giving away copies". I was disgusted, and sent nasty-grams to all members of the board. I was pleased to see a short time later the SIM appear back online. The USPA does not release the IRM electronically because they know they have a captive audience with instructors who are suposed to purchase new copies every few years, plus every coach candidate who needs one for his rating. Why give it away when you can sell it? To me, it's a great example of the USPA putting their business interests ahead of the sport. It's totally, and completely lame. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #12 March 29, 2006 Quote For about a year a while ago they wouldn't even release the SIM electronically. I have email from the executive director plainly telling me that they couldn't afford the loss of income from "giving away copies". I was disgusted, and sent nasty-grams to all members of the board. I was pleased to see a short time later the SIM appear back online. The USPA does not release the IRM electronically because they know they have a captive audience with instructors who are suposed to purchase new copies every few years, plus every coach candidate who needs one for his rating. Why give it away when you can sell it? To me, it's a great example of the USPA putting their business interests ahead of the sport. It's totally, and completely lame. _Am On the other hand... making people pay for safety information is unethical, and having USPA members sponsor the publication of said safety information is totally appropriate. Having the rank and file members subsidize those who wish to make money from skydiving as a coach or instructor is not appropriate, just like having private pilots subsidize instructional materials for airline pilots is not appropriate.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrogNog 1 #13 March 29, 2006 Doesn't an IRM cost something like two jumps? I'm not saying it's nice to be nickled-and-dimed to death. But big picture here. Some skydivers complain a lot about having to pay for things. I respect that but there should be some relation between how much money one has to spend and how much one complains. Darn my rig! Expensive thing... always having to get the reserve I&R'ed. IRM wasn't so bad. Significantly cheaper than the evaluation jumps for my first rating. -=-=-=-=- Pull. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #14 March 30, 2006 We are the ones paying USPA. IMO, all USPA intellectual material should be shared among its members. Otherwise, don't ask a penny for the membership and then nail us with other fees. Doing both is IMO on the same line as speeding tickets: they only serve the money making business that is already supported by the violators. Just my 0.02.Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #15 March 30, 2006 >Otherwise, don't ask a penny for the membership and then nail us >with other fees. ?? You really want to have free membership, but have to pay $600 for a SIM? Stuff that's universally applicable (i.e. the SIM) should be freely available, paid for by everyone's fees. Stuff that's more specialized (i.e. ratings manuals) should be paid for by the person who needs them, not by everyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kwmontreal 0 #16 March 30, 2006 Quote For the same reason you have to buy text books for college. At least with skydiving ratings a good day of work at the DZ and you'll make your money back. Plus, you will reference that book alot in the future so I think the IRM and SIM are a good and necessary purchase for all instructors. I don't make a cent for anything I do at the DZ (tandem, first jump course....ect). I do it for the sport and getting more people into it!, Its just so damm fun! It be more fun if everything was free! At least I don't pay to do a tandem!! Jump safe! Kent----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------JUMP SAFE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #17 March 31, 2006 Quote For about a year a while ago they wouldn't even release the SIM electronically. I have email from the executive director plainly telling me that they couldn't afford the loss of income from "giving away copies". I was disgusted, and sent nasty-grams to all members of the board. I was pleased to see a short time later the SIM appear back online. The USPA does not release the IRM electronically because they know they have a captive audience with instructors who are suposed to purchase new copies every few years, plus every coach candidate who needs one for his rating. Why give it away when you can sell it? To me, it's a great example of the USPA putting their business interests ahead of the sport. It's totally, and completely lame. _Am Maybe you should get free jumps too. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #18 April 3, 2006 Speaking from someone who just got an AFF rating and needed the IRM.... I agree... I would rather my rating cost $10 more for the rating, and give the info for free online... Call it an "electronic textbook fee" on top of the normal fees... The USPA has to make money to survive, but why make it difficult for us??? Why pdf??? Because the search feature of electronic documents is super cool... I had a lengthly back and forth e-mail with the USPA. They told me that the IRM is comprised of many different files, so making a PDF is hard... I suggested Acrobat does have a merge feature and I would be glad to do it for them... But, nope... So, how about we all ask for them to make their money elsewhere (like in a new one time fee per rating to cover the electronic delivery) and give the document away to those who wish to read it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
