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Emergency procedure for PC in TOW

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My reserve bridle/freebag tangled with my main bridle. The canopies opened simultaneously. With plenty of altitude, I played with both out for a bit, then downplaned and cut away the main.

I got an ass chewing for not cutting away first, but it created a discussion, and now all the instructors at our DZ will be on the same page--Cut Away a Pilot chute in tow.



I don't see how you can conclude that having the main depart while the reserve is opening would have been better. Both canopies opened, which is exactly what was observed to happen most of the time from the army study. They also observed that cutting away first was very likely to cause bad things to happen. The main can grab the slider and pull it up.

I understand that there are reasons/scenarios to justify either position in this debate, but I can't understand how your succesful simultaneous deployment demonstrates that cutting away is better.
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I think it can be accepted that during a simultaneous deployment, the main PC, and d-bag will be lifted up passing next to your deploying reserve, whether you cutaway first or not (I am assuming that the risers will not release until many or all of the stows have been released, maybe wrong, but either way, a lot of stuff will pass by your deploying reserve).

If you knew that the main would leave you and get out of the way before the reserve was lifted off your back, then I can understand cutting away first.

When you cutaway, the risers don't just go straight up in a nice path, they get whipped around and can grab things on the way up (lines/slider).

From my reading of the Army/PD study, the cutaway first procedure is not preferred (do you make a different conclusion from the study?)

Granted, cutting away first is a simpler procedure - no extra evaluation/decision to be made. I think that is where the advantage stops.

That's my opinion.
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Did I throw? Yes! Cutaway and pull the silver.
Insted of did I throw? Yes! Well, what the hell happend?
Should I cutaway, or just pull the silver.
I like simple things in high stress situations.



Let’s review FJC procedures for a control check:

Square: This is a visual assessment.
Stable: Flare, if it is not stable it will be clearly indicated.
Steerable: look before you turn.

There is more than one way to skin a cat, get 10 skydivers together you may find a million but the end result is still a skinned cat. Looking, and making a visual assessment after throwing the PC is the first step in the control check right?

All malfunctions fall under two categories – Total or Partial…

Deployment Procedure:
1) Throw your PC
2) Start Counting
3) If you don’t feel anything happening after 5 seconds do you go straight for your reserve? No, because what if you have the PC simply caught in your burble? Looking over your left shoulder to make a visual assessment is the first step in making the evaluation (is it square?). Looking over your shoulder will change the dynamic of airflow around your body necessary to launch the PC – if you have a PC in tow it should be clearly visible trailing behind you, if you see nothing perhaps it is caught on part of your gear. Get in the habit of looking over you left shoulder because it keeps your altimeter and reserve handle close in view.
4) When using this definition of a total malfunction “the main container tray is closed”, in a PC in tow situation is your main container tray open or closed? Simple, it you have a total, go straight for your reserve.

Right, wrong of indifferent, this is how we teach at our DZ. We have had 3 students that I know of deal with totals, one just off student status deal with a PC in tow as trained and I personally had one student clear a PC caught in burble who cleared it by looking over his left shoulder, just as he was trained. Keep things simple, I couldn’t agree more. But by doing so to use it as an excuse to save ground training time? Why not keep things ultra simple and go back to ripcords and SOS systems?

Mykel
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I had a feeling this would open a can of worms.
There have been a lot of constructive arguements for silver or red silver in this thread.

My instructor tells me cut away & pull the reserve.
No time to think at 4 Grand,never mind two.
I know what I'm gonna do.

I will be checking out looking over my left shoulder though, if my instructor says ok :)

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I had a feeling this would open a can of worms.



Yep...for your next thread try:

A. Pull out vs Throw out?
B. RSL needed?
C. Are AAD's for girls only?
D. A Velocity 90 for my first canopy?

:D:D:D

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My instructor tells me cut away & pull the reserve.
No time to think at 4 Grand,never mind two.
I know what I'm gonna do.



Good choice....I figure you have as good of a shot with that than with anything else.

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I will be checking out looking over my left shoulder though, if my instructor says ok



I'd look anyway. Just claim that you felt someone tap your shoulder and turned to look. :D
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II will be checking out looking over my left shoulder though, if my instructor says ok :)



just don't make it a habit to routinely watch it after you throw it - the effect on body position can lead to some interesting openings...
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