Woke is a Joke

[jakee 1,595]

2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Spelled out. I spent 10 months in country in 2002. “Our” military was there for 20. I think we should have gotten out a decade before. Biden left in a destructive and disgraceful manner, unnecessarily costing American lives and equipment. 

And when your military left, they left the Taliban stronger and in more complete control of more of the country than they ever had before you turned up. That's got nothing to do with Biden. That's 20 years of abject political and military failure (though certainly more political) that was literally signed and sealed before Biden took office, he was just set up to be the one who delivered it.

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Just now, jakee said:

And when your military left, they left the Taliban stronger and in more complete control of more of the country than they ever had before you turned up. That's got nothing to do with Biden. That's 20 years of abject political and military failure (though certainly more political) that was literally signed and sealed before Biden took office, he was just set up to be the one who delivered it.

Who was in charge when that happened. Oh wait…never mind…Biden isn’t in charge now. Probably wasn’t then either. 

[jakee 1,595]

5 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

It wasn’t an entire film. It was a YouTube synopsis. 

Well jeez, if you think all you ever need is a synopsis to be sure of what's going on then that explains a whole bunch of your problems. 

But ok, in answer to your question no. I mean like, super obviously no. D'uh.

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Just now, jakee said:

Well jeez, if you think all you ever need is a synopsis to be sure of what's going on then that explains a whole bunch of your problems. 

But ok, in answer to your question no. I mean like, super obviously no. D'uh.

Watch the whole film then. I don’t care. Make up your mind.

[jakee 1,595]

2 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Who was in charge when that happened. Oh wait…never mind…Biden isn’t in charge now. Probably wasn’t then either. 

During the 20 years of failure that paved the way for the Taliban to be the force they are now? Can't you remember?

[jakee 1,595]

Just now, jaybird18c said:

Watch the whole film then. I don’t care. Make up your mind.

Lol, fuck no. You go waste your own brain cells. I mean seriously, a white guy boasting he never had to think about race while the Rodney King riots were going on? Yeah, I'm sure he's got some real insights.

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Just now, jakee said:

During the 20 years of failure that paved the way for the Taliban to be the force they are now? Can't you remember?

Where do you get 20 years of failure from?

[jakee 1,595]

Just now, jaybird18c said:

Where do you get 20 years of failure from?

Take a wild guess.

[jaybird18c 25]

Just now, jakee said:

Lol, fuck no. You go waste your own brain cells. I mean seriously, a white guy boasting he never had to think about race while the Rodney King riots were going on? Yeah, I'm sure he's got some real insights.

Well…you are German, right? Your country understands racism. My Granddad was one of many who kicked your countries ass to alleviate a lot of that.

[jakee 1,595]

12 minutes ago, jaybird18c said:

Well…you are German, right? 

No. I can assure you that your granddad never kicked my country's ass. 

My granddad was on a battleship bombarding Gold beach on D-Day. Earlier in the war he'd had measles and missed the sailing of HMS Prince of Wales to the Pacific where she was sunk by Japanese torpedo bombers. Fine margins, eh? My other granddad, if you can believe it, was a motorcycle courier during the Great War and in the Home Guard in WW2. He was just too young and just too old to be taken on in regular service each time. Still lost a finger trying to ride that Triumph too fast though.

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23 minutes ago, jakee said:

No. I can assure you that your granddad never kicked my country's ass. 

My granddad was on a battleship bombarding Gold beach on D-Day. Earlier in the war he'd had measles and missed the sailing of HMS Prince of Wales to the Pacific where she was sunk by Japanese torpedo bombers. Fine margins, eh? My other granddad, if you can believe it, was a motorcycle courier during the Great War and in the Home Guard in WW2. He was just too young and just too old to be taken on in regular service each time. Still lost a finger trying to ride that Triumph too fast though.

My mistake. Couldn’t tell from your profile. Much respect to both of them. Seriously. One of my grandfathers died when I was 3. Never knew him. My other served as an Infantry Platoon Sergeant attached to the 4th Infantry Division. D-Day. 1st Wave. Normandy. Utah Beach. Wounded in action inland some time later. Shot in the hip. Healed up. Sent back to the front. Eventually assisted with the liberation of a concentration camp. Field promoted to 1st Lieutenant by the end of the campaign. Purple Heart medal, Silver Star medal, four Bronze Star medals.

Edited December 19, 2024 by jaybird18c

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32 minutes ago, jakee said:

No. I can assure you that your granddad never kicked my country's ass. 

My granddad was on a battleship bombarding Gold beach on D-Day. Earlier in the war he'd had measles and missed the sailing of HMS Prince of Wales to the Pacific where she was sunk by Japanese torpedo bombers. Fine margins, eh? My other granddad, if you can believe it, was a motorcycle courier during the Great War and in the Home Guard in WW2. He was just too young and just too old to be taken on in regular service each time. Still lost a finger trying to ride that Triumph too fast though.

I’ll leave you alone Jakee. Respect to your grandfathers. Have a nice Christmas holiday.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

No. I can assure you that your granddad never kicked my country's ass. 

My granddad was on a battleship bombarding Gold beach on D-Day. Earlier in the war he'd had measles and missed the sailing of HMS Prince of Wales to the Pacific where she was sunk by Japanese torpedo bombers. Fine margins, eh? My other granddad, if you can believe it, was a motorcycle courier during the Great War and in the Home Guard in WW2. He was just too young and just too old to be taken on in regular service each time. Still lost a finger trying to ride that Triumph too fast though.

One of mine was a colonel in the intelligence service stationed out of England, seconded by the Dutch military. The rest is unknown, though he did meet my grandmother during this period.

My other grandfather ended up in Jackson, Miss at Hawkins Field learning to fly. He then ferried B-25 bombers to Australia to fly missions in the Asia Pacific theatre for the KNIL. His story too is filled with those moments where he was supposed to be in places he would not have survived, but by sheer luck ending up elsewhere.

He too was very quiet about what he went through in the war. What we would now consider to be PTSD led to drinking, which eventually cost him his job as Captain at KLM and subsequently his life at 65.

[billvon 3,116]

2 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Biden left in a destructive and disgraceful manner, unnecessarily costing American lives and equipment. 

That was Trump.  He made the agreement.

Fun fact - Trump agreed to leave the Taliban all that military equipment because the Taliban promised to use it to  . . . fight terrorism.  Really.  That's how "smart" Trump is.

[JoeWeber 2,940]

22 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

Well…Canada wouldn’t be too hard to take. Pansy asses. Just saying.

Do the Green Berets test for your world view in candidates or does the nature of the culture self select for folks who think as you do?

[jakee 1,595]

3 hours ago, jaybird18c said:

My mistake. Couldn’t tell from your profile. Much respect to both of them. Seriously. One of my grandfathers died when I was 3. Never knew him. My other served as an Infantry Platoon Sergeant attached to the 4th Infantry Division. D-Day. 1st Wave. Normandy. Utah Beach. Wounded in action inland some time later. Shot in the hip. Healed up. Sent back to the front. Eventually assisted with the liberation of a concentration camp. Field promoted to 1st Lieutenant by the end of the campaign. Purple Heart medal, Silver Star medal, four Bronze Star medals.

Thank you, you too. That's quite something. As you might have guessed my granddad the motorcyclist was very old when I was born, I'd have been about the same age when he died. 

I'm also genuinely not trying to take anything away from you personal service, and I think it's distasteful that some people seem to be doing that. Merry christmas!

[jakee 1,595]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

One of mine was a colonel in the intelligence service stationed out of England, seconded by the Dutch military. The rest is unknown, though he did meet my grandmother during this period.

My other grandfather ended up in Jackson, Miss at Hawkins Field learning to fly. He then ferried B-25 bombers to Australia to fly missions in the Asia Pacific theatre for the KNIL. His story too is filled with those moments where he was supposed to be in places he would not have survived, but by sheer luck ending up elsewhere.

He too was very quiet about what he went through in the war. What we would now consider to be PTSD led to drinking, which eventually cost him his job as Captain at KLM and subsequently his life at 65.

Christ that's tough. From what I understand those long distance ferry flights had horrendous loss rates, pushing beyond the limits of available navigation systems in all weathers, let alone getting into combat. 

[SkyDekker 1,465]

15 hours ago, jakee said:

Christ that's tough. From what I understand those long distance ferry flights had horrendous loss rates, pushing beyond the limits of available navigation systems in all weathers, let alone getting into combat. 

I have a log of all his flights. The ferry missions had a higher than 50% loss rate, exactly due to the lack of navigation equipment and the need to fly at night for security purposes. 
 

His other flights in theatre weren’t much better. I have a piece of one of his planes that had a nose gear collapse on landing. Plane was recently recovered in Australia. 

[turtlespeed 226]

21 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

cause it's factual.

Probably should do a bit more than glue yourself to Fox News.

Your false assumtions again. 

[turtlespeed 226]

20 hours ago, kallend said:

The withdrawal protocol was negotiated with the Taliban by Trump, February 2020

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

. . . And ignored by the Biden admin, and renegged on.

[kallend 2,148]

24 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

. . . And ignored by the Biden admin, and renegged on.

Nonsense.  Trump cut and ran.  Biden was left with the mess.

[billvon 3,116]

5 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

. . . And ignored by the Biden admin, and renegged on.

Nope.  Implemented by the Biden Administration.

Some fun facts in the treaty that Trump negotiated:

1) Trump, the "king of the deal," let the Taliban keep many of our weapons there, because they said they would use them to stop terrorism.  Seriously.  Trump believed that.  The actual wording said that the Taliban would use them to "prevent any group or individual in Afghanistan from threatening the security of the United States and its allies."

2) The very same "king of the deal" released 5000 Taliban terrorists we had arrested.  In return the Taliban released 1000 of ours.  Great deal, eh?

3) There was a provision that if the US was not out by the deadline, the Taliban was allowed to attack our troops - again, under the terms of the treaty that Trump negotiated.

Now, let's all imagine what you would have said if Biden had refused the worst parts of the treaty, the Taliban had attacked as a result and killed a few soldiers, then waved the treaty around saying they were justified.  You and yours would have spent the next four years posting "INCOMPETENT BIDEN SAID TALIBAN COULD KILL TROOPS."

[jakee 1,595]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

. . . And ignored by the Biden admin, and renegged on.

How, exactly? Give an example.

[turtlespeed 226]

4 hours ago, jakee said:

How, exactly? Give an example.

Easy - 

His plan was to continue the negotiations into his second presidency.

It was kind of a long game.  With Trumps support, he was pressuring the president of Afghanistan to continue to leave troops in country for anti terrorism defense.

Biden simply gave up and ran.

From what I've read, the plan was a ruse against the taliban.  A much deserved ruse.

You simply cannot trust them like biden tried to again, and lost.

[kallend 2,148]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

Easy - 

His plan was to continue the negotiations into his second presidency.

It was kind of a long game.  With Trumps support, he was pressuring the president of Afghanistan to continue to leave troops in country for anti terrorism defense.

Biden simply gave up and ran.

From what I've read, the plan was a ruse against the taliban.  A much deserved ruse.

You simply cannot trust them like biden tried to again, and lost.

You're funny - in a sad kind of way.