Woke is a Joke

[turtlespeed 226]

3 hours ago, kallend said:

You're funny - in a sad kind of way.

And you are a great part of the old DZ.com.

[kallend 2,112]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

And you are a great part of the old DZ.com.

I am indeed old.  The rest of your opinions are as stupid and fact-free as your other posts.

[wmw999 2,550]

12 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Easy - 

His plan was to continue the negotiations into his second presidency.

It was kind of a long game.  With Trumps support, he was pressuring the president of Afghanistan to continue to leave troops in country for anti terrorism defense.

Biden simply gave up and ran.

From what I've read, the plan was a ruse against the taliban.  A much deserved ruse.

You simply cannot trust them like biden tried to again, and lost.

So in other words a REAL negotiator goes back on settled terms, and settles them when he might not be able to complete the transaction.
Remind me not to do business with you.

Wendy P. 

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4 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

So in other words a REAL negotiator goes back on settled terms, and settles them when he might not be able to complete the transaction.
Remind me not to do business with you.

Wendy P. 

I'll remind you that politics sometimes is not a very clean game.

Hell, some people even extort countries to get people fired from their jobs. 

[jakee 1,564]

21 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Easy - 

His plan was to continue the negotiations into his second presidency.

What negotiations? Says who? They already negotiated a binding agreement, they already signed a binding agreement.

21 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

It was kind of a long game.  With Trumps support, he was pressuring the president of Afghanistan to continue to leave troops in country for anti terrorism defense.

Who is 'he'? And why on earth do you think 'he' would be pressuring the Afghan government to allow troops to remain when 'he' just went behind the Afghan government's back and signed a deal with the Taliban to leave and let them get on with it?

21 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

From what I've read, the plan was a ruse against the taliban.  A much deserved ruse.

This is fucking insane. It's a fantasy. It is based on nothing but your obvious need to kiss the orange ass.

Trump stopped fighting the Taliban in early 2020. He left the Afghan defence forces alone and unsupported for a year before Biden took office, a year in which they crumbled and the Talban surged.

And seriously - let's get this straight. I asked you specifically what part of the agreement Biden reneged on, right? And you are actually saying that Biden reneged on reneging on it... because it was always Trump's plan to renege on it? Fucking hell son, we've had our share of hardcore fanatics in here but you score a solid 10 out of 10 on the Kool Aid scale, you really do.

21 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

You simply cannot trust them like biden tried to again, and lost.

Biden did not trust them, Trump did. Biden was faced with either reneging on Trump's binding agreement and instituting another massive troop surge just to regain the position that Trump gave away, or adhering to Trump's agreement and accepting that Afghanistan was already lost. 

Edited December 20, 2024 by jakee

[turtlespeed 226]

13 minutes ago, kallend said:

I am indeed old.  The rest of your opinions are as stupid and fact-free as your other posts.

It was a movie reference Ebeneezer.

[turtlespeed 226]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

What negotiations? They negotiated a binding agreement, they signed a binding agreement.

Who is 'he'? And why on earth do you think 'he' would be pressuring the Afghan government to allow troops to remain when 'he' just went behind the Afghan government's back and signed a deal with the Taliban to leave and let them get on with it?

This is fucking insane. It's a fantasy. It is based on nothing but your obvious need to kiss the orange ass.

Trump stopped fighting the Taliban in early 2020. He left the Afghan defence forces alone and unsupported for a year before Biden took office, a year in which they crumbled and the Talban surged.

And seriously - let's get this straight. I asked you specifically what part of the agreement Biden reneged on, right? And you are actually saying that Biden reneged on reneging on it... because it was always Trump's plan to renege on it? Fucking hell son, we've had our share of hardcore fanatics in here but you score a solid 10 out of 10 on the Kool Aid scale, you really do.

Biden did not trust them, Trump did. Biden was faced with either reneging on Trump's binding agreement and instituting another massive troop surge just to regain the position that Trump gave away, or adhering to Trump's agreement and accepting that Afghanistan was already lost. 

Question:

Does an administration ever do anything shady to protect the countries interest?

[jakee 1,564]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

Question:

Does an administration ever do anything shady to protect the countries interest?

You're not clever enough to ask rhetorical questions worth answering.

Specifically, what part of Trump's withdrawal agreement did Biden renege on? Nb; the bits that only exist in your pro-Trump fantasies don't count.

[JoeWeber 2,840]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

Easy - 

His plan was to continue the negotiations into his second presidency.

It was kind of a long game.  With Trumps support, he was pressuring the president of Afghanistan to continue to leave troops in country for anti terrorism defense.

Biden simply gave up and ran.

From what I've read, the plan was a ruse against the taliban.  A much deserved ruse.

You simply cannot trust them like biden tried to again, and lost.

You have made very broad claims here about how business practices, negotiations, and employee hirings are best handled. Fine and fair enough. Please tell us what business you are in or what position you hold to give context and authority to your assertions.

[billvon 3,080]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

It was kind of a long game.

Like The Weave!  Sure, it looks like he's just senile.  But he really has a brilliant ulterior motive!

Of course, Biden has outfoxed Trump in all this.  Biden managed to get Trump elected, and Trump will destroy the GOP - leaving control of government in the hands of democrats for the next decade.  The ultimate "doing something shady to protect the country's interest."

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

3 hours ago, kallend said:

You're funny - in a sad kind of way.

I don't find it 'funny' that people are gullible enough to believe this kind of bullshit.

But there sure are a lot of them, enough in fact, to elect Trumpty Dumpty to a second term.

[kallend 2,112]

4 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Easy - 

His plan was to continue the negotiations into his second presidency.

It was kind of a long game.  With Trumps support, he was pressuring the president of Afghanistan to continue to leave troops in country for anti terrorism defense.

Biden simply gave up and ran.

From what I've read, the plan was a ruse against the taliban.  A much deserved ruse.

You simply cannot trust them like biden tried to again, and lost.

Do you have any idea how gullible you come across?

[nigel99 574]

9 hours ago, billvon said:

Like The Weave!  Sure, it looks like he's just senile.  But he really has a brilliant ulterior motive!

Of course, Biden has outfoxed Trump in all this.  Biden managed to get Trump elected, and Trump will destroy the GOP - leaving control of government in the hands of democrats for the next decade.  The ultimate "doing something shady to protect the country's interest."

Even shitting his pants is a deliberate tactic to distract his adversaries 

[jakee 1,564]

8 hours ago, kallend said:

Do you have any idea how gullible you come across?

Extreme sycophancy for sure (same as when he valiantly defended the Covid bleach suggestions) - but I'm not sure gullible is the right word when he's simply invented this story inside his own head.

Hey Turtle, when Trump came into your dreams to tell you this cock and bull story about the 'withdrawal ruse' was he wearing anything except a single golf glove and his Maga hat?

[turtlespeed 226]

2 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Even shitting his pants is a deliberate tactic to distract his adversaries 

And all the falling up the stairs!!! Brilliant tactics!

[turtlespeed 226]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Extreme sycophancy for sure (same as when he valiantly defended the Covid bleach suggestions) - but I'm not sure gullible is the right word when he's simply invented this story inside his own head.

Hey Turtle, when Trump came into your dreams to tell you this cock and bull story about the 'withdrawal ruse' was he wearing anything except a single golf glove and his Maga hat?

The information came from a reliable source.

Of course, God could have said it, and you wouldn't find it reliable, so why bother posting the interview?

Edited December 21, 2024 by turtlespeed

[jakee 1,564]

52 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

The information came from a reliable source.

Yes, your imagination. That’s the source for your reliable assertion that Biden ignored the withdrawal agreement by adhering to what it said, and reneged on it by not reneging on it like Trump was going to. 

You do see that you have to be a fully paid up MAGA cult member not to see how insane that is, right? 
 

55 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

so why bother posting the interview?

Let me guess, after the terms of the agreement resulted in the overthrow of the Afghan government Trump gave an interview saying “well of course I was never going to follow my own plan!” And you believe him. So why had he already abandoned the Afghan defence forces by mid 2020? Why did he leave our allies to fight and die alone while he was still in charge?

[turtlespeed 226]

57 minutes ago, jakee said:

Yes, your imagination. That’s the source for your reliable assertion that Biden ignored the withdrawal agreement by adhering to what it said, and reneged on it by not reneging on it like Trump was going to. 

You do see that you have to be a fully paid up MAGA cult member not to see how insane that is, right? 
 

Let me guess, after the terms of the agreement resulted in the overthrow of the Afghan government Trump gave an interview saying “well of course I was never going to follow my own plan!” And you believe him. So why had he already abandoned the Afghan defence forces by mid 2020? Why did he leave our allies to fight and die alone while he was still in charge?

You are incorrect.

[kallend 2,112]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

The information came from a reliable source.

Of course, God could have said it, and you wouldn't find it reliable, so why bother posting the interview?

A fully qualified Kool Aid drinker.

Do you have ANY idea how stupid you come across?

[tkhayes 348]

So back to woke…. Let me see, rapist husband drugged his wife and raped and pumped her out for decades in France.

texas police chief rapes and abuses and terrorizes his town using his position of power to intimidate people after working in 8 different police agencies in 11 years.

all crimes. All adjudicated. All convicted

but let’s say for a minute, that it would appear in most of modern history that no female cop used her power to rape teenagers and no women ever drugged her husband to be gang raped by all her friends, and maybe….

just maybe these cases become the subject of some education institutions, sociology classes or studies,or the statistics used in a policy think tank to further public policy, safety or legislative treatment/punishment/safety options

and then we actually CHANGE early education for children or other public outreach to help everyone in society understand how wrong these things are and ways to deal with sexual issues before they become rapists and abusers?

is that woke?  Does that fall under the auspices of say Florida education where men should be dominant and we can’t talk about that because afteralll all the sex crimes are the result it pedo trans folks in little girls bathrooms?

asking for a friend.  Dare any institution discuss the overwhelming evidence to support the study of sex crimes and dominance demanded and executed by the male half of our species?

is that woke? And thus taboo?

[jakee 1,564]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

You are incorrect.

What a compelling argument. 

You said that Biden ignored and reneged on Trump’s agreement, then said the proof is that he did what it said instead of ignoring it and reneging on it like you think Trump would have done. You do understand how crazy that is, right? How blindly, irrationally partisan it is?

[turtlespeed 226]

41 minutes ago, kallend said:

A fully qualified Kool Aid drinker.

Do you have ANY idea how stupid you come across?

No more than you.

[turtlespeed 226]

Just now, jakee said:

What a compelling argument. 

You said that Biden ignored and reneged on Trump’s agreement, then said the proof is that he did what it said instead of ignoring it and reneging on it like you think Trump would have done. You do understand how crazy that is, right? How blindly, irrationally partisan it is?

You can find it if you want to.

But you won't, because you don't want to have your ideas threatened.

[jakee 1,564]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

You can find it if you want to.

But you won't, because you don't want to have your ideas threatened.

Find what? Trump saying, after his deal was proven to be an ridiculously naive failure, that he didn’t actually mean it?Yeah, no shit he said that. So fucking what?

Now how, specifically, did Biden ignore and renege on the withdrawal agreement? Note, we’re talking about the actual withdrawal agreement that Trump negotiated, approved, and was abiding by until he left office - not the stuff you imagine was written in the back in invisible ink.

[turtlespeed 226]

1 minute ago, jakee said:

Find what? Trump saying, after his deal was proven to be an ridiculously naive failure, that he didn’t actually mean it?Yeah, no shit he said that. So fucking what?

Now how, specifically, did Biden ignore and renege on the withdrawal agreement? Note, we’re talking about the actual withdrawal agreement that Trump negotiated, approved, and was abiding by until he left office - not the stuff you imagine was written in the back in invisible ink.

You can look for yourself.

Hint - it wasnt Trump saying anything.

Trump was working the plan he had in place.  Biden fucked that and almost everything else up in that withdrawl.

Edited December 21, 2024 by turtlespeed