Post trump Legal Actions, Including his Enablers

[normiss 897]

Will Trump get a cavity search if his diaper is full??

[headoverheels 334]

2 hours ago, normiss said:

Will Trump get a cavity search if his diaper is full??

Only if a supervisor is pranking an underling.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

The calls for Trump to be disqualified from running for president under the 14th amendment are growing. 

And from some well known conservative legal scholars, too.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/19/politics/donald-trump-fourteenth-amendment-2024-race/index.html

[ryoder 1,590]

Meadows throws cold water on Mango's claim he declassifed the documents:

ABC News: Meadows told special counsel he could not recall Trump ever declassifying Mar-a-Lago docs: Sources

[jakee 1,596]

1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

The calls for Trump to be disqualified from running for president under the 14th amendment are growing. 

And from some well known conservative legal scholars, too.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/19/politics/donald-trump-fourteenth-amendment-2024-race/index.html

Great - but it’ll only disqualify him if the Supreme Court says it does, right? And, spoiler alert…

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

24 minutes ago, jakee said:

Great - but it’ll only disqualify him if the Supreme Court says it does, right? And, spoiler alert…

Maybe. 

I could be a bit optimistic, but I'd like to think that maybe 5 justices aren't total Trump sycophants.

Trump lost his challenges to the election at the SC. 
Again, maybe optimistic, but if enough conservative legal scholars agree that he's disqualified himself, it just might withstand challenges.

And that's presuming Trump can get competent lawyers to challenge it.

[jakee 1,596]

1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Trump lost his challenges to the election at the SC. 
Again, maybe optimistic, but if enough conservative legal scholars agree that he's disqualified himself, it just might withstand challenges.

Right. Problem is the election challenges were insanely obviously frivolous and accepting them would have been outrageous and unprecedented.

This is much more of a judgement call, and accepting it would be unprecedented and cause outrageous among their cohorts.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

3 minutes ago, jakee said:

Right. Problem is the election challenges were insanely obviously frivolous and accepting them would have been outrageous and unprecedented.

This is much more of a judgement call, and accepting it would be unprecedented and cause outrageous among their cohorts.

Very true.

But a LOT of what Trump did, and what he is getting in return is unprecedented.

I'm not enough of a legal scholar to make the call, but when a couple long time members of the "Federalist Society" say that he should be disqualified, then it's well on it's way to being a serious discussion.

Again, I don't know. But I can hope that it's a legit call and the SC backs it up.

Edit to add: His cohorts are 'outraged' about everything. They haven't done shit. 
Not even large scale protests.

In part because they saw how much Trump 'backed them up' after the insurrection attempt.

In part because a lot of them are no longer available to protest. Because they're in jail or prison. Or out on bail and can't afford to get into trouble.

Edited August 20, 2023 by wolfriverjoe

[JerryBaumchen 1,468]

4 hours ago, ryoder said:

Meadows throws cold water on Mango's claim he declassifed the documents:

ABC News: Meadows told special counsel he could not recall Trump ever declassifying Mar-a-Lago docs: Sources

Hi Robert,

Looks like the Meadows Rat is leaving the ship. More to follow.

The wrong view from the Greybar Hotel is not a good viewpoint.

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 2,941]

On 8/20/2023 at 7:23 AM, ryoder said:

Meadows throws cold water on Mango's claim he declassifed the documents:

ABC News: Meadows told special counsel he could not recall Trump ever declassifying Mar-a-Lago docs: Sources

I keep waiting for someone brave in the media sphere to get what Fani Wallis gets in spades: it was a criminal enterprise. If you go back to the Nuremberg trials there was Defendant 27, the SS. They were found guilty, the entire organization. That's where we need to be. DA Fani Willis is my current hero. When she finally gets all of the indictees, and I think she will,  we'll be back on track to regaining the democracy the founders envisioned. 

[kallend 2,150]

Bond set at $200k

Where are the calls to "Lock Him Up"?

[lippy 918]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

Where are the calls to "Lock Him Up"?

That really works best as a chant, and the other side has all the best chanters.

[winsor 236]

3 hours ago, kallend said:

Bond set at $200k

Where are the calls to "Lock Him Up"?

Seppuku would be the honorable option.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

5 minutes ago, winsor said:

Seppuku would be the honorable option.

Coward's way out.

"Honorable" would be facing the consequences for his actions, accepting the punishment, learning the lesson and becoming a better person.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Not with him.

[Phil1111 1,183]

5 minutes ago, winsor said:

Seppuku would be the honorable option.

For trump's supporters when they realize they have been had? Using honor in the same sentence with trump himself is a oxymoron isn't it?

[billvon 3,120]

I'm actually surprised we haven't seen this angle yet from Trumpies:

 

[normiss 897]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

I'm actually surprised we haven't seen this angle yet from Trumpies:

 

Maybe his Sharpie is in the classified documents storage shower.

[billvon 3,120]

From ABC:
 

WASHINGTON -- A witness in the criminal case against Donald Trump over the hoarding of classified documents retracted “prior false testimony” after switching lawyers last month and provided new information that implicated the former president, the Justice Department said Tuesday.

Uh-oh.  Looks like the Twitter threats in ALL CAPS weren't enough to keep that particular informant shushed.  If this were Russia he'd be falling out a window real soon now.  We'll see what happens in this case.

[JoeWeber 2,941]

6 minutes ago, billvon said:

From ABC:
 

WASHINGTON -- A witness in the criminal case against Donald Trump over the hoarding of classified documents retracted “prior false testimony” after switching lawyers last month and provided new information that implicated the former president, the Justice Department said Tuesday.

Uh-oh.  Looks like the Twitter threats in ALL CAPS weren't enough to keep that particular informant shushed.  If this were Russia he'd be falling out a window real soon now.  We'll see what happens in this case.

Apparently it was the IT manager who was Trump employee #4. Bad ju-ju for anyone normal who would seek a plea asap. But Trump isn't normal.

gov.uscourts.flsd.648654.129.0.pdf

[Phil1111 1,183]

11 minutes ago, billvon said:

From ABC:
 

WASHINGTON -- A witness in the criminal case against Donald Trump over the hoarding of classified documents retracted “prior false testimony” after switching lawyers last month and provided new information that implicated the former president, the Justice Department said Tuesday.

Uh-oh.  Looks like the Twitter threats in ALL CAPS weren't enough to keep that particular informant shushed.  If this were Russia he'd be falling out a window real soon now.  We'll see what happens in this case.

Amazing. You get a lawyer thats looking out for your interests and you realize. Gee I better tell the truth and stop listening to the advice that I'm getting from a lawyer paid for by trump.

[JoeWeber 2,941]

7 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

Amazing. You get a lawyer thats looking out for your interests and you realize. Gee I better tell the truth and stop listening to the advice that I'm getting from a lawyer paid for by trump.

What baffles me is that I've had to hire and fire a lot of lawyers over the years. Never because of skydiving, excepting document and waiver review (I wrote ours) but because of my other gigs. Getting an attorney to initiate an issue when your standing was in doubt just doesn't happen even with an offer to pay more. Moreover,  every lawyer I have ever hired was vastly more concerned with their standing with the bar than my particular problem. I guess that in the white shoe law firm arena where $2000 an hour is cheap things are different. But each and every one of us really needs to focus on that dichotomy and how it melds with our own relationship with the justice system and what we are really doing when we vote for a candidate or party.

[JerryBaumchen 1,468]

14 hours ago, billvon said:

From ABC:
 

WASHINGTON -- A witness in the criminal case against Donald Trump over the hoarding of classified documents retracted “prior false testimony” after switching lawyers last month and provided new information that implicated the former president, the Justice Department said Tuesday.

Uh-oh.  Looks like the Twitter threats in ALL CAPS weren't enough to keep that particular informant shushed.  If this were Russia he'd be falling out a window real soon now.  We'll see what happens in this case.

Hi Bill,

Just as I thought.  They go after a whole bunch of them & then wait to see which one turns first. *

It is usually one of them way down the food chain.

As I said:  Survival is a very strong instinct.

Jerry Baumchen

* Standard procedure when dealing with multiple crooks.

PS)  I have this feeling that even Mark Meadows, when faced with time in prison, will turn on Trump.  Actually, why wouldn't he; Trump would flush him if given the opportunity.

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by JerryBaumchen

[SkyDekker 1,465]

16 hours ago, billvon said:

From ABC:
 

WASHINGTON -- A witness in the criminal case against Donald Trump over the hoarding of classified documents retracted “prior false testimony” after switching lawyers last month and provided new information that implicated the former president, the Justice Department said Tuesday.

Uh-oh.  Looks like the Twitter threats in ALL CAPS weren't enough to keep that particular informant shushed.  If this were Russia he'd be falling out a window real soon now.  We'll see what happens in this case.

Cannon forced the hand of Jack Smith and in the process made herself, Woodward and the defendants look very poorly.

 

Good twitter thread explaining it here:

https://twitter.com/rparloff/status/1694270181567078607?s=20

[SkyDekker 1,465]

16 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

What baffles me is that I've had to hire and fire a lot of lawyers over the years. Never because of skydiving, excepting document and waiver review (I wrote ours) but because of my other gigs. Getting an attorney to initiate an issue when your standing was in doubt just doesn't happen even with an offer to pay more. Moreover,  every lawyer I have ever hired was vastly more concerned with their standing with the bar than my particular problem. I guess that in the white shoe law firm arena where $2000 an hour is cheap things are different. But each and every one of us really needs to focus on that dichotomy and how it melds with our own relationship with the justice system and what we are really doing when we vote for a candidate or party.

MAGA stands for Make Attorneys Get Attorneys and it keeps proving itself out over and over again.

[Phil1111 1,183]

MAGA Make Attorneys Get Arrested

Giuliani who recently pleaded to a court that he was broke and couldn't pay the money he owed his lawyers. Showed up in Atlanta on a private charter Hawker 800XP from Luxury Jet charters. Rudy submitting false affidavits to a court! Who'd a thunk it?

Edited August 23, 2023 by Phil1111