They Blinded Me with SCIENCE

[Guest]

Enough is enough. End the lockdown silliness NOW.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

[kallend 2,174]

Be like Sweden, eh?

How has that worked out?

[headoverheels 334]

39 minutes ago, kallend said:

Be like Sweden, eh?

How has that worked out?

They are doing a bit better than the US, but much worse than their immediate neighbors (Norway, Finland, Denmark).

 

[Phil1111 1,192]

4 hours ago, kallend said:

Be like Sweden, eh?

How has that worked out?

 

3 hours ago, headoverheels said:

They are doing a bit better than the US, but much worse than their immediate neighbors (Norway, Finland, Denmark).

 

Sweden average lifespan 84 years for women and 81 years for men. Compared to the US for those over 65 there are 4.5% more Swedes still alive. Universal health care and a right to in home paid care.

"Their rate of economic vulnerability is just 4%, while nearly 25% of US seniors often worry about having enough money to buy nutritious meals or pay for necessities such as housing. Only 2% of high-need older adults in Sweden struggle with cost, while in the US it’s 31%. But a holistic approach to health isn’t just about reducing economic vulnerability, it’s about helping people live their best life, and this shows across many dimensions."

Which results in 50% higher diabetes,14% higher blood pressure,twice the asthma, etc. in the US

trump calls such an approach "socialism" and his 'herd mentality' approach would likely cost 30% more deaths than in Sweden.

[kallend 2,174]

19 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

 

 

trump calls such an approach "socialism" and his 'herd mentality' approach would likely cost 30% more deaths than in Sweden.

And the Swedish death rate from CV-19 is still way more than their neighbors' who did impose sensible restrictions.

[Phil1111 1,192]

13 minutes ago, kallend said:

And the Swedish death rate from CV-19 is still way more than their neighbors' who did impose sensible restrictions.

This likely explains it better. Aside from the fact that the GOP health care "free market competition" system is the costliest system in the entire world! Imagine the carnage if trump and his GOP lackeys had actually got a health care system in place to replace the ACA.

"During this pandemic, people in the United States are dying at rates unparalleled elsewhere in the world.

A new report in the Journal of the American Medical Association finds that in the past five months, per capita deaths in the U.S., both from COVID-19 and other causes, have been far greater than in 18 other high-income countries.

"It's shocking. It's horrible," says Dr. Ezekiel J. Emanuel, a professor of health policy and medical ethics at the University of Pennsylvania and one of the authors of the study.

"The United States really has done remarkably badly compared to other countries," he says. "I mean, remarkably badly."

Overall deaths in the United States this year are more than 85% higher than in places such as Germany, Israel and Denmark after adjusting for population size. Deaths in the U.S. are 29% higher than even in Sweden, "which ignored everything for so long," Emanuel says. Sweden made a point of refusing to order strict social restrictions and never went in to a full lockdown. "We have 29% more mortality than we should have if we'd followed Sweden's path and Sweden virtually did nothing."

I took a WAS at 30% but ended up off one percent. Sometimes I surprise myself. Story October 13, 2020, NPR.

Edited October 15, 2020 by Phil1111

[gowlerk 2,283]

The New England Journal of Medicine steps into the fray.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812

[kallend 2,174]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

The New England Journal of Medicine steps into the fray.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2029812

Meh - no-one knows more about infectious diseases than Trump.