New Libertarian anthem

[brenthutch 444]

Listening to Rage Against the Machine’s Killing in the Name and  it occurred to me that this may be the next battle hymn for the Right.  Thoughts?

[mistercwood 287]

This is a troll, right?

[brenthutch 444]

No, not at all.  It is ironic because Rage is very left wing, but the whole “and you do what they tell you...now you’re under control” and the “f*ck you I won’t do what you tell me” fits very nicely with today’s right wing 

Edited July 25, 2020 by brenthutch

[mistercwood 287]

Ok in that context I can see what you're getting at, and yeah I could see them unironically using it without any awareness of RATM's political leanings. It wouldn't be the first time people have completely missed the point of certain songs lol... Born in the USA springs to mind.

[brenthutch 444]

7 minutes ago, mistercwood said:Ok in that context I can see what you're getting at, and yeah I could see them unironically using it without any awareness of RATM's political leanings. It wouldn't be the first time people have completely missed the point of certain songs lol... Born in the USA springs to mind.

I agree with your point about Born in the USA, but with regard to RATM, it is the exactly the same point, it just a different power/man they are rebelling against.
 

“Now you’re wearing a masks....now you’re under control, now you can’t go to bars.... now you’re under control now you can’t go to school....now you’re under control”

[mistercwood 287]

8 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

but with regard to RATM, it is the exactly the same point, it just a different power/man they are rebelling against.

I'd argue the intent of the power they are rebelling against is intrinsic to the message being portrayed, so any equivalence is kind of being shoehorned in there.

The intent of the power in the original is to control the people for their own gain. The intent of the power in your version is to get people to take basic steps to help protect the populace at large.

There's arguments to be made about how well thought out the implementation of those protective steps is, but the intent remains benign.

[yoink 321]

3 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Listening to Rage Against the Machine’s Killing in the Name and  it occurred to me that this may be the next battle hymn for the Right.  Thoughts?

I think Bill Bailey has a good point from about 1:40.

 

 

[jakee 1,594]

4 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Listening to Rage Against the Machine’s Killing in the Name and  it occurred to me that this may be the next battle hymn for the Right.  Thoughts?

I think you didn't listen to it very well.

[jakee 1,594]

4 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I agree with your point about Born in the USA, but with regard to RATM, it is the exactly the same point, it just a different power/man they are rebelling against.

Killing In The Name Of is protest against racist police forces and racist politicians oppressing black people. Unless the Right wing people you speak of are also currently participating in the BLM protests it is not their anthem.

 

So indeed cwood's point is exactly right. Just as the R's only listen to the chorus of Born In The USA and ignore the entire point and purpose of the song, so you have only listened to the final verse of Killing In The Name Of and ignored the entire point and purpose of the song.

Edited July 25, 2020 by jakee

[billvon 3,112]

17 hours ago, mistercwood said:

This is a troll, right?

Amazingly enough - I believe it is not.  There are actually people who think things like that.

[billvon 3,112]

12 hours ago, jakee said:

Just as the R's only listen to the chorus of Born In The USA and ignore the entire point and purpose of the song, so you have only listened to the final verse of Killing In The Name Of and ignored the entire point and purpose of the song.

Reminds me of the people who wanted "Born to Run" as the New Jersey state song.  I strongly suspect they'd heard only heard the song played in bars and had never actually listened to the lyrics.

[kallend 2,147]

9 minutes ago, billvon said:

Reminds me of the people who wanted "Born to Run" as the New Jersey state song.  I strongly suspect they'd heard only heard the song played in bars and had never actually listened to the lyrics.

There are many very popular rock songs whose lyrics, when analysed, would no doubt offend a good fraction of the fans.  Brown Sugar comes to mind (I like it anyway).

[wmw999 2,587]

11 minutes ago, billvon said:

Reminds me of the people who wanted "Born to Run" as the New Jersey state song.  I strongly suspect they'd heard only heard the song played in bars and had never actually listened to the lyrics.

I just read them -- clearly for the first time. It's chock full of my name...

Wendy P.

[wmw999 2,587]

Now back to the thread -- if libertarians want to take this "anthem" as their own, it'll be over the objections of its creators. Kind of like all the references we see to the Stones threatening to sue Trump to stop using their music.

Taking music that doesn't belong to you, using it as you wish without crediting its original intent is kind of the definition of cultural appropriation. It's saying "I have the power, you don't, to decide what your product means."

Wendy P.

[billvon 3,112]

Just now, wmw999 said:

I just read them -- clearly for the first time. It's chock full of my name...

Wendy P.

A comedian went through the lines one at a time when the proposal was first made.
 

"Baby this town rips the bones from your back" - now THERE'S an image that will draw tourists to your seaside town!

"It's a death trap, it's a suicide rap" - Maybe its just me, but any song that suggests that your state inspires suicide - twice! - should sorta be disqualified automatically.

"We gotta get out while we're young" - That's the message you want for your state!  "For the love of God, get out of this state while there's still time!"

[wmw999 2,587]

16 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I agree with your point about Born in the USA, but with regard to RATM, it is the exactly the same point, it just a different power/man they are rebelling against.
 

“Now you’re wearing a masks....now you’re under control, now you can’t go to bars.... now you’re under control now you can’t go to school....now you’re under control”

Write your own song.

Wendy P.