Nothing about this is a protest. (NSFW Racial Expletives)

[billvon 3,090]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Nice peaceful protests.

Where one bad cop makes all cops bad, but one bad rioter is an exception and the other rioters are peacful.

No rioters are peaceful.  It's kind of the definition of "riot" vs "protest."

[turtlespeed 226]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

I expect higher, much higher, professional standards of behavior from police than I do from rioters. In fact, I expect rioters to riot.

To the point of condoning . . . 

Probably not applauding, though.

[turtlespeed 226]

[SkyDekker 1,465]

18 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I can find no evidence that he was shot while holding a Trump sign. Are you making shit up again?

[turtlespeed 226]

32 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

I can find no evidence that he was shot while holding a Trump sign. Are you making shit up again?

No - I am guilty of reposting with out verifying the existence of a sign.

There - I fixed it for you:

Now, is your distraction quelled enough to answer the question at the bottom of the picture?

Why is George so much more important than Bernell?

Why does Floyd's black life matter more than Trammell's?

Is it only because the killer was dressed like this:

and not this:

Edited July 29, 2020 by turtlespeed

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

No - I am guilty of reposting with out verifying the existence of a sign.

There - I fixed it for you:

Now, is your distraction quelled enough to answer the question at the bottom of the picture?

Why is George so much more important than Bernell?

Why does Floyd's black life matter more than Trammell's?

Is it only because the killer was dressed like this:

and not this:

Ugh, not this racist trope again.

[jakee 1,571]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

Why is George so much more important than Bernell?

Why does Floyd's black life matter more than Trammell's?

Why are you asking people to justify an opinion that nobody holds?

Edited July 29, 2020 by jakee

[billvon 3,090]

Just now, jakee said:

Why are you asking people to justify an opinion that nobody holds?

It's another strawman.  He can't really argue against what other people are saying so instead he invents a position - "liberals don't really care when these black people are killed" - so he can get outraged and argue.

[turtlespeed 226]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

It's another strawman.  He can't really argue against what other people are saying so instead he invents a position - "liberals don't really care when these black people are killed" - so he can get outraged and argue.

Pointing out and bringing awareness to hypocrisy is not a straw-man.

[yoink 321]

and yet you lot keep answering his posts... 

 

@Ron - did you see that the initial spree of smashing shops up in the first Minneapolis protests that has been identified as the catalyst for turning the peaceful protests violent has been traced to (you guessed it) a white nationalist from an aryan biker gang? Not a violent black criminal who just wanted an excuse for looting...

Before you and your 'militia' do anything stupid you're going to want to make damn sure you know the ACTUAL culprits, not the ones you WANT it to be... 

 

There are people out there who know exactly how you think and what your fears are and will manipulate you to promote their own agenda.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53579099

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by yoink

[turtlespeed 226]

7 minutes ago, yoink said:

There are people out there who know exactly how you think and what your fears are and will manipulate you to promote their own agenda.

Yes.  This ^^^^

We absolutely agree on that.

It's called the media.  That's how they make most of their money.

 

[billvon 3,090]

11 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Pointing out and bringing awareness to hypocrisy is not a straw-man.

But you did not do that.  You read someone's opinion, made up a new opinion that you imagined they held, then said your made up opinion makes them a hypocrite.  

And this is the second time today you've done that.  You apologized for the first one; good on you, it takes guts to admit you were wrong.  But part of apologizing is then trying to not do it again.

 

[kallend 2,117]

32 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Pointing out and bringing awareness to hypocrisy is not a straw-man.

That's not what you are doing though.  You are attributing to others positions they HAVE NOT taken.  That is exactly what creating a straw-man involves.

The fact that you do it repeatedly despite being well known for doing  it says a lot about you,  and what it says is not very good.

[turtlespeed 226]

24 minutes ago, kallend said:

That's not what you are doing though.  You are attributing to others positions they HAVE NOT taken.  That is exactly what creating a straw-man involves.

The fact that you do it repeatedly despite being well known for doing  it says a lot about you,  and what it says is not very good.

So, this killing has garnered the media attention that Floyd's killing did?

The position is obvious, if only for lack of coverage. 

 

[mistercwood 287]

3 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

So, this killing has garnered the media attention that Floyd's killing did?

The position is obvious, if only for lack of coverage. 

 

I did the googles to see what happened with this poor guy. He was murdered, with the suspect at large and no motive known at this time.

Floyd was killed by an on-duty officer of the law while in custody and presenting no threat.

If Trammel's killer turns out to be a police officer, you *might* have the teensiest connection to tie the two together. Except, not really. And honestly we can all be pretty damn confident that's not going to be the case.

The reaction is different because the motive and power differentials are different. This isn't hypocrisy.

[turtlespeed 226]

1 minute ago, mistercwood said:

I did the googles to see what happened with this poor guy. He was murdered, with the suspect at large and no motive known at this time.

Floyd was killed by an on-duty officer of the law while in custody and presenting no threat.

If Trammel's killer turns out to be a police officer, you *might* have the teensiest connection to tie the two together. Except, not really. And honestly we can all be pretty damn confident that's not going to be the case.

The reaction is different because the motive and power differentials are different. This isn't hypocrisy.

Until all murders are treated the same in the media - it will always be hypocrisy.

[mistercwood 287]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

Until all murders are treated the same in the media - it will always be hypocrisy.

Bullshit. Cops aren't random civilians, they're trained and authorised with the usage of much different force levels. They are to be held to a much, much higher standard due to the power they wield.

[turtlespeed 226]

Just now, mistercwood said:

Bullshit. Cops aren't random civilians, they're trained and authorised with the usage of much different force levels. They are to be held to a much, much higher standard due to the power they wield.

Then not all lives matter equally.

[mistercwood 287]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

Then not all lives matter equally.

This is your dumbest take in months. Be better.

[turtlespeed 226]

1 minute ago, mistercwood said:

This is your dumbest take in months. Be better.

Just because the truth is unpleasant, doesn't mean you don't have to face it.  Well, not unless you don't want to, I suppose.

It's a hard truth.  Society doesn't want to admit that some lives are more valuable than others.

Society is driven greatly by the media.  

Its obvious to me that the media will be telling the public what is important to get behind, and what to support.

If they WANTED to - the media could have made this a front page item.

They didn't, I suspect, because he was a known Trump supporter, and he wasn't anyone important enough to help sell coverage.

Hence - Trammell didn't have the "Matter" he needed.

Not unlike the dozens of deaths in Chicago over the weekend.  They don't have enough "Matter" either.

[gowlerk 2,260]

1 hour ago, yoink said:

and yet you lot keep answering his posts... 

 

They do. I don't get it.

[billvon 3,090]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

Until all murders are treated the same in the media - it will always be hypocrisy.

Then you are a huge hypocrite for not caring about the murder of Carliena Clayton, who was shot in the head while driving and killed in front of her two young children.  Does she not matter?  Why are you screaming about the murder of a black man, but could care less about the murder of a young woman who was driving her children when she was murdered?

I guess for you not all lives matter equally.  Only ones that get you political points are worth mentioning.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

Then not all lives matter equally.

Why does the value of a life depend on the media coverage of the death? 

[billvon 3,090]

2 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

The writer George Orwell (1984, Animal Farm) probably would have said:

I like to remind folks that racism and hatred are not in your DNA, and neither are you genetically disposed to them somehow. 

You sorta are.  Everyone experiences homophily, even people who are never taught about racism.  In the right environment that is quickly overcome.  But without attention paid to that, that tendency remains - and even grows.

You'll see this in any small child.  The first time they see someone who looks very different (for any of a number of reasons) they will stop and stare.  If a child sees another child who is blind in one eye, for example, they will often touch their own eye - because we are programmed to notice and explore differences between us and other people.  If they see a child with a different skin color, they will often look at their own skin and then try to touch the other person's skin - again, because we are all programmed to notice and explore those differences.  Same thing with long hair, or a missing limb, or a birthmark.

If at that point they experience other kids (and adults) treating them like anyone else, and explaining that they look different but that they are not fundamentally different, then they adapt quickly.  But if they see other kids reacting to them as well, and see adults treating them differently, then they pick up on that, too.  They are quick learners even when we don't intend them to be.

[jakee 1,571]

6 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Pointing out and bringing awareness to hypocrisy is not a straw-man.

But you're not pointing out any hypocrisy, you're just reposting the excuses racists use to denigrate the BLM movement.