Iranian navy ship Konarak 'sunk by friendly fire'

[Phil1111 1,182]

Well with friends like that who needs enemies?

An Iranian navy "friendly fire" incident in which a ship was sunk has killed dozens of sailors, unofficial reports say.

Local journalists said the frigate Jamaran was testing a new anti-ship missile which locked onto and hit Konarak, a logistical ship.

Semi-official Iranian news agency Fars said one sailor was killed and several others injured.

It described the incident on Sunday near the Strait of Hormuz as a "crash".

According to the unofficial reports, Jamaran - operated by Iran's Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) - fired the missile prematurely before Konarak had time to sail away from a floating target it had towed to a designated position.

[ryoder 1,590]

One the upside: They know the new missile works.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

14 hours ago, ryoder said:

One the upside: They know the new missile works.

Maybe, maybe not.

Did the tow vessel not get clear?
Did the missile lock on it when it shouldn't have?

 

We'll likely never find out for sure, but it wouldn't suprise me a whole lot to hear that the tow vessel had gotten well clear, and that the missile locked on, tracked and hit it when it shouldn't have.
One problem with 'smart' weapons is that they aren't all that smart. 

[DJL 235]

18 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Maybe, maybe not.

Did the tow vessel not get clear?
Did the missile lock on it when it shouldn't have?

 

We'll likely never find out for sure, but it wouldn't suprise me a whole lot to hear that the tow vessel had gotten well clear, and that the missile locked on, tracked and hit it when it shouldn't have.
One problem with 'smart' weapons is that they aren't all that smart. 

We've done this too.  Had an incident in which a CWIS missile defense system blazed the occupied bridge of another ship.  They had assumed the system would disengage when the target was out of range but it kept on firing and tracked around to the other ship.

Edit, didn't sink the ship, of course.

Edited May 12, 2020 by DJL

[Guest]

I've seen other incidents like this. It's what happens when you put computers in the decision loop and take humans out.

Still, the mishap couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch (IRGC). I love a happy ending.

 

Edited May 13, 2020 by Guest

[Phil1111 1,182]

On 5/13/2020 at 6:25 AM, markharju said:

I've seen other incidents like this. It's what happens when you put computers in the decision loop and take humans out.

Still, the mishap couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch (IRGC). I love a happy ending.

 

Iranian Revolutionary Guard troops are operating a manually controlled weapon in Indonesia goes haywire?

[normiss 897]

USS Thresher

PC-815

USS Frank E Evans

USS Solar

USS Chehalis

USS Benevolence

USS Hobson

USS Stickleback

USS Grouse

USS Bache

USS La Moure County

USS Scorpion, maybe

USS Forrestal, almost

 

4 or more additional US subs/boats as well, and a number of others I'm forgetting an too lazy to research.

Iranians are rookies with naval vessels. It could take them 100 years to catch up to the mistakes made by the US Navy.

Humans make mistakes every day.

The important part of those mistakes is learning from them.

 

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by normiss

[Phil1111 1,182]

10 hours ago, normiss said:

Iranians are rookies with naval vessels. It could take them 100 years to catch up to the mistakes made by the US Navy.

Humans make mistakes every day.

The important part of those mistakes is learning from them.

The USS Fitzgerald being the latest. The Royal Navy is probably next to the US with both history and robust naval operations uninterrupted by history.

Spain, Portugal, France, the naval powers of WW ll Canada, Australia have all abandoned serious blue water navies.Russia is but a sad shadow of what it once was.

I'd add that a ship needs to leave port, shoot its cannon and practice battle. In order to learn from mistakes.

[jakee 1,595]

34 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

The USS Fitzgerald being the latest. The Royal Navy is probably next to the US with both history and robust naval operations uninterrupted by history.

Spain, Portugal, France, the naval powers of WW ll Canada, Australia have all abandoned serious blue water navies.Russia is but a sad shadow of what it once was.

I'd add that a ship needs to leave port, shoot its cannon and practice battle. In order to learn from mistakes.

The French blue water navy is about the same size as the UKs still in terms of carriers, subs, destroyers, frigates and air power. They've currently got a new class of nuclear attack submarines under construction on a €10Bn contract. They're not out of the game.

[Phil1111 1,182]

13 minutes ago, jakee said:

The French blue water navy is about the same size as the UKs still in terms of carriers, subs, destroyers, frigates and air power. They've currently got a new class of nuclear attack submarines under construction on a €10Bn contract. They're not out of the game.

You are right.

[nigel99 617]

On 5/13/2020 at 8:25 PM, markharju said:

I've seen other incidents like this. It's what happens when you put computers in the decision loop and take humans out.

Still, the mishap couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch (IRGC). I love a happy ending.

 

With an attitude like that, how are you any different to an Islamic fundamentalist celebrating a beheading video?

I find celebrating death morally repugnant 

[Guest]

14 hours ago, nigel99 said:

With an attitude like that, how are you any different to an Islamic fundamentalist celebrating a beheading video?

I find celebrating death morally repugnant 

IRGC are thugs and terrorists. I do not find their deaths repugnant - I find them a cause for celebration. I'll wager you a case of beer that when Iranians found out about this, they were dancing in the streets the way the did when that motherfucker Soleimani was whacked. ATTN MODS - THIS THREAD SHOULD GO TO SC - THX

[Guest]

On 5/15/2020 at 3:43 PM, jakee said:

The French blue water navy is about the same size as the UKs still in terms of carriers, subs, destroyers, frigates and air power. They've currently got a new class of nuclear attack submarines under construction on a €10Bn contract. They're not out of the game.

Agreed. The French navy is pretty impressive. Boomers, fast attack, carriers. They train a LOT, too.