The US is a Banana Republic

[normiss 873]

2 hours ago, yoink said:

I’m not going to read Turtle’s reply, but I’m certain it’s a reply that only someone who is completely centrist and not at all biased could write.

How is it Pelosi’s fault this time?

 

It's never Trump's fault, he fully supports and defends the treasonous acts of Trumpster.

I don't read his replies either - unless someone quotes his post.

I wish the ignore function covered quoted user names too.

[gowlerk 2,261]

8 minutes ago, Coreece said:

I think The Atlantic article does a decent job separating the good and the bad.

The Atlantic article does a good job of pointing out that life is not fair. Something that people of colour in America have known about for a long time. But it’s worth complaining about when it’s powerful people who are being treated unfairly for some reason.

[turtlespeed 226]

2 hours ago, normiss said:

It's never Trump's fault, he fully supports and defends the treasonous acts of Trumpster.

I don't read his replies either - unless someone quotes his post.

I wish the ignore function covered quoted user names too.

Hiding in your bubble must be nice.

Alternate opinions are EVIL!!!!!

[yoink 321]

4 hours ago, Coreece said:

He was talking about the cancel culture.

 

The ‘cancel culture’ (sigh) has nothing to do with how the President portrays himself in the Oval Office. 
 

Personally, I think it comes across as cheapening the most important position in our country. And it’s ok with Trump because he’s first and foremost a salesman. 

Edited July 17, 2020 by yoink

[olofscience 492]

5 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Hiding in your bubble must be nice.

Alternate opinions are EVIL!!!!!

So...this thread is where you're hiding after I pointed out why positive cases were different from positivity rates in the covid-19 thread? Or where you're hiding after me asking you a simple question on the Susan Rosenberg thread?

Hiding in your bubble must be nice.

Alternate opinions aren't evil...yours just happen to be rather brain-dead.

[turtlespeed 226]

3 hours ago, olofscience said:

So...this thread is where you're hiding after I pointed out why positive cases were different from positivity rates in the covid-19 thread? Or where you're hiding after me asking you a simple question on the Susan Rosenberg thread?

Hiding in your bubble must be nice.

Alternate opinions aren't evil...yours just happen to be rather brain-dead.

You seem to think there is a requirement to respond to you.

You are sometimes skimmed over, or just lost in the large number of new posts.

I'm not hiding.

 

Edited July 17, 2020 by turtlespeed

[olofscience 492]

9 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

You seem to think there is a requirement to respond to you.

Well, it's ironic that you think Trump has a requirement to respond to "cancel culture" by hawking Goya like a salesman and blaming the 'libs' for it.

[turtlespeed 226]

6 hours ago, olofscience said:

Well, it's ironic that you think Trump has a requirement to respond to "cancel culture" by hawking Goya like a salesman and blaming the 'libs' for it.

What?  What the hell are you talking about?

Why would you think, that I think, that Trump has a requirement like that?

Its his opinion, he can voice it if he wants to.

Have you suddenly done away with some amendments?

 

[olofscience 492]

1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

What?  What the hell are you talking about?

Phil mentioned that Trump was selling Goya like a salesman and what do you reply?

23 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

That's what you get from the cancel culture. <Shrug>

As if Trump's reply was someone else's fault.

8 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Have you suddenly done away with some amendments?

Nope, it's all about not blaming others. Trump's blatant ethics violations promoting Goya is entirely his choice. Just like it's entirely your choice to avoid replying to my other arguments because, well, you have none really.

But you're right, you're not hiding. I'd better call it "running away".

[turtlespeed 226]

19 minutes ago, olofscience said:

Phil mentioned that Trump was selling Goya like a salesman and what do you reply?

As if Trump's reply was someone else's fault.

Nope, it's all about not blaming others. Trump's blatant ethics violations promoting Goya is entirely his choice. Just like it's entirely your choice to avoid replying to my other arguments because, well, you have none really.

But you're right, you're not hiding. I'd better call it "running away".

You can call whatever you want, whatever you want - it doesn't make it any less false.

 

[kallend 2,121]

12 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

You can call whatever you want, whatever you want - it doesn't make it any less false.

 

I call it a clear violation:

"Executive branch employees may not use their Government positions to suggest that the agency or any part of the executive branch endorses an organization (including a nonprofit organization), product, service, or person,"

[jakee 1,577]

34 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

You can call whatever you want, whatever you want - it doesn't make it any less false.

You can say you don't defend Trump as often as you want and that's not getting any less false. Taking the brazen his and her's ethics violation and saying it's someone else's fault is yet another example of how you will defend Trump to the hilt every chance you get.

[yoink 321]

11 minutes ago, jakee said:

You can say you don't defend Trump as often as you want and that's not getting any less false. Taking the brazen his and her's ethics violation and saying it's someone else's fault is yet another example of how you will defend Trump to the hilt every chance you get.

How can you say such a thing??? Turtle is just bringing a moderate centrist point to the argument!

 

Nope. Can't keep a straight face when typing that.

[billvon 3,090]

1 hour ago, olofscience said:

Phil mentioned that Trump was selling Goya like a salesman and what do you reply?

As if Trump's reply was someone else's fault.

Exactly.  "I don't support Trump at all!" -  But when one of his opponents stumbles he is all over him, calling them names and pointing out how stupid they are.  When Trump does something stupid - it's the liberal's fault.  Somehow.

[olofscience 492]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

You can call whatever you want, whatever you want - it doesn't make it any less false.

This reply is so vague, and addresses no specific point, it basically contains no argument. You could have saved yourself the effort and said nothing at all.

[turtlespeed 226]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

You can say you don't defend Trump as often as you want and that's not getting any less false. Taking the brazen his and her's ethics violation and saying it's someone else's fault is yet another example of how you will defend Trump to the hilt every chance you get.

Nowhere did I ever assign fault to anyone.

I simply commented that the "cancel culture" should have learned from the from Chick-Fil-A backfire.

The CFA backfire is the response you will get sometimes from a wide variety of people when you try to cancel them using social media and other cancel culture that is so popular with extremists.

[jakee 1,577]

7 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Nowhere did I ever assign fault to anyone.

You said it came from the cancel culture. It didn't, it came from the Trumps.

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The CFA backfire is the response you will get sometimes from a wide variety of people when you try to cancel them using social media

What does the CFA boycott have to do with the Trumps turning the WH into an advertising studio?

[turtlespeed 226]

4 minutes ago, jakee said:

You said it came from the cancel culture. It didn't, it came from the Trumps.

What does the CFA boycott have to do with the Trumps turning the WH into an advertising studio?

Nothing - I wasn't commenting on the Trumps doing anything - I was commenting on the reaction to Goya and how it's backfiring.

Edited July 17, 2020 by turtlespeed

[jakee 1,577]

49 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Nothing - I wasn't commenting on the Trumps doing anything - I was commenting on the reaction to Goya and how it's backfiring.

You were directly replying to a post that was commenting on and only commenting on the Trump breaching ethics rules by endorsing commercial products in the oval office. Yoink said Trump was breaching ethics rules and demeaning the office. You quoted that and said "That's what you get from the cancel culture".

 

Why do you bother lying about this stuff when it's right there in black and white? Or maybe you've just forgotten the thread again. Seen that doctor yet?

[turtlespeed 226]

45 minutes ago, jakee said:

You were directly replying to a post that was commenting on and only commenting on the Trump breaching ethics rules by endorsing commercial products in the oval office. Yoink said Trump was breaching ethics rules and demeaning the office. You quoted that and said "That's what you get from the cancel culture".

 

Why do you bother lying about this stuff when it's right there in black and white? Or maybe you've just forgotten the thread again. Seen that doctor yet?

I'm not lying.

Start there and we will move on.

[kallend 2,121]

27 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I'm not lying.

Start there and we will move on.

If you're defining "LIE" in the same sense that Trump hasn't lied some 20,000 times over the past 3.5 years, I suppose you're correct..

[jakee 1,577]

57 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I'm not lying.

Start there and we will move on.

Give me a reason to start there.

When you quote and reply to a post talking specifically and only about Trump's actions with the words "That's what you get from..." and then claim you weren't referring to Trump, what is that if it isnt a lie?

[turtlespeed 226]

14 minutes ago, jakee said:

Give me a reason to start there.

When you quote and reply to a post talking specifically and only about Trump's actions with the words "That's what you get from..." and then claim you weren't referring to Trump, what is that if it isnt a lie?

That is the general response I expect from the general public.  Using the office and posing like that out of spite is petulant and immature.

That is also part of his draw, I suppose.  Not to me.  

BUT - my comment referred to the generality of what to expect from the cancel culture.

You will get that response a lot.

[jakee 1,577]

18 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

That is the general response I expect from the general public.  Using the office and posing like that out of spite is petulant and immature.

And illegal. At least for Ivanka. Seems like 50 years after Nixon your system still doesn;t know for sure if it's possible for a President to commit a crime.

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BUT - my comment referred to the generality of what to expect from the cancel culture.

Then why didn't it say that? Why was it a direct response to a quote about Trump with no indication that you weren't talking about what you were replying to?

[turtlespeed 226]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

And illegal. At least for Ivanka. Seems like 50 years after Nixon your system still doesn;t know for sure if it's possible for a President to commit a crime.

Then why didn't it say that? Why was it a direct response to a quote about Trump with no indication that you weren't talking about what you were replying to?

What difference, at this point, does it make?