Minneapolis Allows Adhan for "Little Mogadishu"

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17 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

While the mosque call was rather intrusive when I was visiting the Maldives recently (it was next door in a crowded city), it was no worse than the train that used to pass by when I lived close to the train track. And earplugs dealt with it nicely. And other people would have other solutions. I'll bet I'd get used to it.

Yeah, noise impinges on houses that used to be quiet. Ask anyone close to a freeway that's gone through, or anyone who lives close to a chemical plant (not noise, but ya know -- chemicals are probably worse for you...), or an airport upgrade. But when it's our noise, the complainers are assholes, right?

Wendy P.

I think what bothers me most are the cultural aspects. As much as I despise man-made industrial noise, it seems apolitical. Islam isn't just a religion, it is an aggressive political movement. This worries me much  more than freeway noise, because freeway noise isn't going to be giving anyone a Muslim Haircut.

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41 minutes ago, normiss said:

 

Meh. It's like buying a house near an airport.

Don't like church noise? Don't live near one.

In Doha and Kuwait City where I have lived, they (mosques) are like coffee shops in Seattle. They are everywhere, and there is no escape.

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2 minutes ago, markharju said:

I think what bothers me most are the cultural aspects. As much as I despise man-made industrial noise, it seems apolitical. Islam isn't just a religion, it is an aggressive political movement. This worries me much  more than freeway noise, because freeway noise isn't going to be giving anyone a Muslim Haircut.

No more aggressive than various flavors of christianity.

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3 minutes ago, markharju said:

I think what bothers me most are the cultural aspects. As much as I despise man-made industrial noise, it seems apolitical. Islam isn't just a religion, it is an aggressive political movement. 

Yes, as is the religious right.  It's a free country.

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I rather like the sound of a peal of bells ringing changes. 
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-mathematics-of-change-ringing-and-peal-bells/

Churches playing tunes, not so much.

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10 minutes ago, markharju said:

In Doha and Kuwait City where I have lived, they (mosques) are like coffee shops in Seattle. They are everywhere, and there is no escape.

Active duty? That or a contractor for... Choose you're words wisely. They can and will be used against you.   The whole world is watching and NOTHING posted can be erased.  

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15 minutes ago, markharju said:

Islam isn't just a religion, it is an aggressive political movement.

Look up Jesus Camp on Vimeo and you'll be able to say the same thing about Christianity.

(Thank you to whomever it was that brought up that documentary in another thread)

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FGM

[JerryBaumchen 1,451]

1 hour ago, markharju said:

What an insane world we live in when a Christian baker is repeatedly persecuted for his views on morality

Hi Mark,

I live where 'this' happened.  You should do your homework before posting.  The baker violated the laws of the state of Oregon.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Jerry Baumchen

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8 minutes ago, timski said:

Active duty? That or a contractor for... Choose you're words wisely. They can and will be used against you.   The whole world is watching and NOTHING posted can be erased.  

Thanks for threatening to doxx me, but I'm retired and you're too late.

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Just now, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Mark,

I live where 'this' happened.  You should do your homework before posting.  The baker violated the laws of the state of Oregon.  Nothing more, nothing less.

Jerry Baumchen

...and you didn't include what the prosecutor said.

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1 hour ago, billvon said:

Later that year, the city amended its noise regulations to limit the volume of all religious sounds. Prior to this, other mosques in the Detroit area had been using loudspeakers to broadcast their calls to prayer without incident.

At least that's egalitarian. Thanks for posting it.

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I don't think religious organizations should be given any more allowance for noise restrictions.  I would have an issue with any bells or loudspeakers near me.

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2 minutes ago, DJL said:

I don't think religious organizations should be given any more allowance for noise restrictions.  I would have an issue with any bells or loudspeakers near me.

Hear, hear (or don't, actually)...

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20 minutes ago, markharju said:

...and you didn't include what the prosecutor said.

Hi Mark,

BOLI still fined them.  I have not heard much about it for some time.  The last that I knew, they had failed with all of their appeals.

Jerry Baumchen

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What if that bakery had been run by muslims? Can you really say truthfully that this persecution would have taken place? I find that highly doubtful. JMHO. Anecdote: when asked why they didn't also ridicule muslims in addition to mocking Christians, stage magician Penn Jillette of Penn & Teller replied "Because we're not stupid."

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1 hour ago, markharju said:

FGM

I really don't get right-wingers' obsession with this and Islam.

FGM is *not* an islamic thing, it's an african tradition. Yes sometimes there are african muslims. Yes it is bad. But please stop confusing the two.

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1 hour ago, markharju said:

What if that bakery had been run by muslims? Can you really say truthfully that this persecution would have taken place? I find that highly doubtful. JMHO. Anecdote: when asked why they didn't also ridicule muslims in addition to mocking Christians, stage magician Penn Jillette of Penn & Teller replied "Because we're not stupid."

Hi Mark,

It wasn't.  Stop with the red herrings.

Jerry Baumchen

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2 hours ago, markharju said:

In Doha and Kuwait City where I have lived, they (mosques) are like coffee shops in Seattle. They are everywhere, and there is no escape.

Have you ever counted up all the churches, billboards and radio stations run by Christians all clamoring for money and attention in the good 'ol USA? I've traveled though many places and it is astonishing to me.

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7 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Have you ever counted up all the churches, billboards and radio stations run by Christians all clamoring for money and attention in the good 'ol USA? I've traveled though many places and it is astonishing to me.

I  don't like it either - "Opiate of the masses" and all that, but at least they aren't giving out free Muslim Haircuts.

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2 minutes ago, markharju said:

at least they aren't giving out free Muslim Haircuts.

Have they been doing that in Detroit? Or only in places where the locals have to deal with western mercenaries called "contractors".

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7 minutes ago, markharju said:

I  don't like it either - "Opiate of the masses" and all that, but at least they aren't giving out free Muslim Haircuts.

Is that like the pentacostals that don't let women cut their hair and require them to wear dresses only?

I'm curious (well, not really) why you only selected one religion to hate?

Personally I think they're all insane. But people make the choice to follow them.

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15 minutes ago, normiss said:

Is that like the pentacostals that don't let women cut their hair and require them to wear dresses only?

I'm curious (well, not really) why you only selected one religion to hate?

Personally I think they're all insane. But people make the choice to follow them.

I think most but not all overly religious people have something fundamentally wrong with them. I believe there must be a balance between the material and the spiritual. Anything else is immoderate and largely harmful. There are some like Jains and the Penn Deutsch, who harm no one. I think they are rare, for they are deeply spiritual but are not wild-eyed fanatics. And I'll tell the truth, a lot of my venom against islam is based upon deep-seated fear of how easily it seems to breed mindless fanaticism, with death the punishment for thinking for oneself and walking away. It amazes me that Westerners who have never known real hardship or strife in their lives can be so blasé about what is truly an existential threat.

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4 hours ago, markharju said:

Tolerance is one thing, public disturbance is another. What an insane world we live in when a Christian baker is repeatedly persecuted for his views on morality, but this is allowed! Next thing you know there will be FGM...oh, wait...

ME countries I was in had mosques which competed with each other over how loud they could be. You could hear three or sometimes four or five mosques blasting all at once. Edit to add: church bells are not tolerated, but this is? WHY?!

Please remember when you are woken every morning before dawn by that hideous caterwauling that I TOLD YOU SO.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/historic-ramadan-call-prayer-echoes-minnesota-city-200424145353618.html

I'll file this one under 'who gives a shit'.

Actually, I won't.  I'll give you some hope.  Islam is having the same problem Christianity is having in the west...people leaving the faith.  

https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/why-are-young-muslims-leaving-islam/cid/1704203

From the article:

"For the vast majority of Arab atheists, the road to disbelief begins…with personal doubts. They start to question the illogicalities found in the holy texts. Why are non-Muslims destined to hell, even though many of them are nice, decent people? Since God knows the future and controls everything, why would he put some people on the wrong path, then punish them as if he had nothing to do with their choices? Why is wine forbidden, yet virtuous Muslims are promised rivers of it in heaven?"

Sounds just like people leaving Christianity in the west.

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1 minute ago, tonyhays said:

I'll file this one under 'who gives a shit'.

Actually, I won't.  I'll give you some hope.  Islam is having the same problem Christianity is having in the west...people leaving the faith.  

https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/why-are-young-muslims-leaving-islam/cid/1704203

From the article:

"For the vast majority of Arab atheists, the road to disbelief begins…with personal doubts. They start to question the illogicalities found in the holy texts. Why are non-Muslims destined to hell, even though many of them are nice, decent people? Since God knows the future and controls everything, why would he put some people on the wrong path, then punish them as if he had nothing to do with their choices? Why is wine forbidden, yet virtuous Muslims are promised rivers of it in heaven?"

Sounds just like people leaving Christianity in the west.

In neither case is it happening fast enough.