Minneapolis Allows Adhan for "Little Mogadishu"

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Tolerance is one thing, public disturbance is another. What an insane world we live in when a Christian baker is repeatedly persecuted for his views on morality, but this is allowed! Next thing you know there will be FGM...oh, wait...

ME countries I was in had mosques which competed with each other over how loud they could be. You could hear three or sometimes four or five mosques blasting all at once. Edit to add: church bells are not tolerated, but this is? WHY?!

Please remember when you are woken every morning before dawn by that hideous caterwauling that I TOLD YOU SO.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/historic-ramadan-call-prayer-echoes-minnesota-city-200424145353618.html

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

Next thing you know churches will have bells ringing to call people to prayer.

[headoverheels 334]

1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

Next thing you know churches will have bells ringing to call people to prayer.

Let me know, when they do it many times every day, and start before sunrise.

 

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4 minutes ago, headoverheels said:

Let me know, when they do it many times every day, and start before sunrise.

 

Christian call to prayer is at 6 am, noon, and 6 pm.

[headoverheels 334]

Just now, SkyDekker said:

Christian call to prayer is at 6 am, noon, and 6 pm.

I'm not aware of anywhere in the US that churches ring bells at 6 am, but perhaps there are some.

[billvon 3,114]

15 minutes ago, markharju said:

Tolerance is one thing, public disturbance is another. What an insane world we live in when a Christian baker is repeatedly persecuted for his views on morality, but this is allowed! Next thing you know there will be FGM...oh, wait...

ME countries I was in had mosques which competed with each other over how loud they could be. You could hear three or sometimes four or five mosques blasting all at once.

Please remember when you are woken every morning before dawn by that hideous caterwauling that I TOLD YOU SO.

Wow, some people are sensitive.

When I lived in New York they'd have the twelve o'clock whistle - all the fire sirens in the town (four of them) would blast a 110dB siren to . . . tell people it was noon or something.  The volunteer firefighters loved it.

 

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15 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Next thing you know churches will have bells ringing to call people to prayer.

They actually did something useful when they existed - to tell the time. There aren't many left because they have been ruthlessly stomped out. In  Edinburgh, there are no churches left - they are all  mosques. Edit to add - seen this with my own eyes last October. Where's the righteous outrage over this disturbance?

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3 minutes ago, markharju said:

They actually did something useful when they existed - to tell the time. There aren't many left because they have been ruthlessly stomped out. In  Edinburgh, there are no churches left - they are all  mosques. Where's the outrage over this?

Why does there need to be outrage over that?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

6 minutes ago, headoverheels said:

I'm not aware of anywhere in the US that churches ring bells at 6 am, but perhaps there are some.

Perhaps, until this morning you also weren't aware of any mosques doing adhan in the US.

[billvon 3,114]

4 minutes ago, markharju said:

They actually did something useful when they existed - to tell the time.

And, of course, tell people to pray.

The ringing of church bells, the bishop also noted, has a long tradition in Catholic history. Before watches and clocks were common, the local church would ring its bell at 6 a.m., noon, and 6 p.m. This was not only a way of telling time, but a request for everyone to stop and pray the Angelus. The Angelus is a prayer based on the Angel Gabriel’s words to Mary at the Annunciation.

https://www.thecompassnews.org/2020/04/parishes-encouraged-to-ring-church-bells-on-easter-sunday/

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Just now, SkyDekker said:

Why does there need to be outrage over that?

Because as I said, church bells (and churches) have been all but done away with in the Western world. I can't remember ever hearing a church bell in Seattle (not that I mind).

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1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

Perhaps, until this morning you also weren't aware of any mosques doing adhan in the US.

This is the first of its kind. Religious fanatics have bells and loudspeakers. And your point is?

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3 minutes ago, markharju said:

This is the first of its kind. Religious fanatics have bells and loudspeakers.

The Al-Islah mosque in Michigan has been broadcasting calls to prayer over loudspeakers since 2004.

 

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13 minutes ago, billvon said:

The Al-Islah mosque in Michigan has been broadcasting calls to prayer over loudspeakers since 2004.

 

There are probably loudness limits on it (at least I hope so), but I was ignorant of it all the same. Edit to add: I believe the AJ piece was about this taking place in a major US city, not some podunk.

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6 minutes ago, markharju said:

Because as I said, church bells (and churches) have been all but done away with in the Western world. I can't remember ever hearing a church bell in Seattle (not that I mind).

Isn't this just the free market at work? Are you not a proponent of a free market?

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15 minutes ago, headoverheels said:

I'm not aware of anywhere in the US that churches ring bells at 6 am, but perhaps there are some.

Catholic church in Winter Park FL. Every god damn hour.

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Just now, markharju said:

There are probably limits on it (at least I hope so), but I was ignorant of it all the same.

Mosque here in Sanford FL has been doing this for years.

Zero complaints.

 

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Just now, normiss said:

Catholic church in Winter Park FL. Every god damn hour.

I saw what you did there - heh

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2 minutes ago, normiss said:

Mosque here in Sanford FL has been doing this for years.

Zero complaints.

 

No one dares. Wouldn't it be something if Christians had something like CAIR to wage lawfare on their behalf? There are a couple of legal defense orgs  but nothing like CAIR. And shouldn't there be something like People United for the Separation of Mosque and State? I say let people worship what Flying Spaghetti Monsters they will, as long as they don't harm anyone else.

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32 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Next thing you know churches will have bells ringing to call people to prayer.

Can't stand them either. Does that make me racist?

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9 minutes ago, billvon said:

And, of course, tell people to pray.

The ringing of church bells, the bishop also noted, has a long tradition in Catholic history. Before watches and clocks were common, the local church would ring its bell at 6 a.m., noon, and 6 p.m. This was not only a way of telling time, but a request for everyone to stop and pray the Angelus. The Angelus is a prayer based on the Angel Gabriel’s words to Mary at the Annunciation.

https://www.thecompassnews.org/2020/04/parishes-encouraged-to-ring-church-bells-on-easter-sunday/

NPR had an interesting piece on over the weekend about time. It was interesting to hear how the ways and needs for time keeping have changed throughout history.

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9 minutes ago, markharju said:

"Mosque here in Sanford FL has been doing this for years.Zero complaints."

No one dares. 

Maybe a LITTLE research before posting? From the Wikipedia entry on the Michigan mosque:

The mosque attracted national attention in 2004, when it requested permission to broadcast its call to prayer. This upset many of the non-Muslim residents of the area, which has a large and long established Polish Catholic population. Proponents pointed out that the city was already subject to loud bell ringing from the local church, while opponents argued that the church bells served a nonreligious purpose. Though nothing prevented the mosque from broadcasting the Adhan, to begin with, the city council nonetheless added an official "okay" in May 2004. Later that year, the city amended its noise regulations to limit the volume of all religious sounds. Prior to this, other mosques in the Detroit area had been using loudspeakers to broadcast their calls to prayer without incident.

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7 minutes ago, markharju said:

No one dares. Wouldn't it be something if Christians had something like CAIR to wage lawfare on their behalf? There are a couple of legal defense orgs  but nothing like CAIR. And shouldn't there be something like People United for the Separation of Mosque and State? I say let people worship what Flying Spaghetti Monsters they will, as long as they don't harm anyone else.

 

Meh. It's like buying a house near an airport.

Don't like church noise? Don't live near one.

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Where I live you can't throw a rock and not hit a church.

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While the mosque call was rather intrusive when I was visiting the Maldives recently (it was next door in a crowded city), it was no worse than the train that used to pass by when I lived close to the train track. And earplugs dealt with it nicely. And other people would have other solutions. I'll bet I'd get used to it.

Yeah, noise impinges on houses that used to be quiet. Ask anyone close to a freeway that's gone through, or anyone who lives close to a chemical plant (not noise, but ya know -- chemicals are probably worse for you...), or an airport upgrade. But when it's our noise, the complainers are assholes, right?

Wendy P.