Guest #1 Posted April 17, 2020 In a report published Tuesday by the Iran Republic's parliament, the total cases and deaths from COVID-19 have been grossly understated. https://apnews.com/15502fe8fc535119f927d2669b63ce91 "Iran’s parliament research center released a 46-page report on Tuesday and folded the death count estimate into a footnote on page 6, according to The Associated Press. The report said that the Iranian government is vastly underreporting the effects of the coronavirus on the country. The report blamed limited testing and the fact that only people who tested positive for COVID-19 and died in a hospital are counted in the Iran’s total deaths. The researchers estimated that the real death count is around 80% to 100% higher and that the total number of infections is likely “eight to 10 times” times higher. By reported figures, Iran is the worst hit country in the Middle East, reporting nearly 80,000 cases of the coronavirus and about 4,900 deaths by Thursday morning." (my emphasis). Now if they would just come clean with their nuke program....<sigh> I still think the West, via intermediaries like Switzerland, should ship C19 testing kits to Iran tout de suite. This is a situation which transcends politics, and although their government will still be waving scimitars and screaming "Death to America!", the Iranian people themselves are wiser than anyone gives them credit for and will remember our generosity, especially because their good friend China doesn't seem to be forthcoming. mh Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,174 #2 April 17, 2020 Rather like US nursing homes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #3 April 17, 2020 2 hours ago, kallend said: Rather like US nursing homes. True, and those will be called on to account for themselves in a court of law. In Iran, the Assahollah makes the law, and is accountable to no one. See the difference? I thought you could... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 903 #4 April 17, 2020 2 hours ago, markharju said: True, and those will be called on to account for themselves in a court of law. In Iran, the Assahollah makes the law, and is accountable to no one. See the difference? I thought you could... Just like the Assahollah we have here. Even cutting the testing back because it's not profitable enough. Except American corruption is supported and won't make it to a court of law. Our Supreme Leader is above ALL laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #5 April 17, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, normiss said: Our Supreme Leader is above ALL laws. I take it you mean POTUS/"45". Not so. He was impeached, after all. Edited April 17, 2020 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,131 #6 April 17, 2020 11 hours ago, markharju said: In a report published Tuesday by the Iran Republic's parliament, the total cases and deaths from COVID-19 have been grossly understated. I think that's true in most countries out there. There are big political benefits to underreporting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,471 #7 April 17, 2020 11 hours ago, markharju said: Now if they would just come clean with their nuke program.... Hi Mark, They were in complete compliance with the agreement; that is, until Trump unilaterally changed everything. Don't blame them, put the blame where it belongs. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #8 April 17, 2020 In other news, Iran re-invents the dowsing rod: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,192 #9 April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Mark, They were in complete compliance with the agreement; that is, until Trump unilaterally changed everything. Don't blame them, put the blame where it belongs. Jerry Baumchen Well trump, Ali Khamenei and C-19 only someone indifferent to suffering would not take pity on the Iranian people. Oh trump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #10 April 17, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Hi Mark, They were in complete compliance with the agreement; that is, until Trump unilaterally changed everything. Complete? Source? Not being snarky here - I really want to be informed. It (the JCPOA) wasn't just about nukes. Did the Quds stop being naughty (Nope. That's why Soleimani ate an AGM-114; good riddance)? All the material which the Israelis captured is bogus? https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-16/report-details-oceans-11-style-mossad-raid-inside-iran-steal-nuclear-secrets Edited April 17, 2020 by Guest grammar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,283 #11 April 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, ryoder said: In other news, Iran re-invents the dowsing rod: All glory goes to Allah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,283 #12 April 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, markharju said: Complete? Source? Not being snarky here https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran The IAEA? The people tasked with checking. Iran does have other issues that you and others don't like. That does not change the fact that they were in compliance with the agreement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,192 #13 April 17, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, markharju said: Complete? Source? Not being snarky here - I really want to be informed. It (the JCPOA) wasn't just about nukes. Did the Quds stop being naughty (Nope. That's why Soleimani ate an AGM-114; good riddance)? All the material which the Israelis captured is bogus? https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-16/report-details-oceans-11-style-mossad-raid-inside-iran-steal-nuclear-secrets Intelligence chiefs undercut Trump on Iran nuclear deal Trump’s Weak Case Against Iran "If Iran did attack two tankers in the Gulf of Oman this week, as President Donald Trump claims, he’s doing a lousy job of making that case to the rest of the world. The sad fact is he has to make a case because, in his 2½ years in office, he has told so many lies and alienated so many allies. If he decided to respond to the attacks with new economic pressure or military action, he would need the support of those allies, and to earn that support, he would need to present extraordinarily persuasive evidence of Iran’s culpability." I've quoted a couple polls that rank trump as less credible than both Xi and Putin. So no point in quoting them again. Subsequent to the US withdrawal from the nuclear agreement the EU and several other NATO allies continued to trade and support Iran. trump has burnt so many bridges in the Middle East that he really has only Israel left. Lies, backstabbing and double dealing allies has consequence. Edited April 17, 2020 by Phil1111 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #14 April 17, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, gowlerk said: https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran The IAEA? The people tasked with checking. Iran does have other issues that you and others don't like. That does not change the fact that they were in compliance with the agreement. We're dealing with Sharia, Taqia, and those who believe they are on a mission from g*d, funded by Quisling European states who want cheap oil. What could possibly go wrong? Oh, right. Development continues in secret, and when the day comes that Iran has the Bomb, the Saudis have already said they'll go for it as well. From there, Hadjii getting his hands on the Suitcase from Allah can't be far behind. And this is all 45's fault. Okay. Edited April 17, 2020 by Guest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #15 April 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, gowlerk said: All glory goes to Allah. I can't believe they are still falling for that bullshit ten years after this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,283 #16 April 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, markharju said: We're dealing with Sharia, Taqia, and those who believe they are on a mission from g*d, funded by Quisling European states who want cheap oil. What could possibly go wrong? Oh, right. Development continues in secret, and when the day comes that Iran has the Bomb, the Saudis have already said they'll go for it as well. From there, Hadjii getting his hands on the Suitcase from Allah can't be far behind. And this is all 45's fault. Okay. Trump controls the US arsenal. Think about that. Not too hard, you might get sick. Persia is and has been a rational actor. They have good reason for the things they do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #17 April 17, 2020 49 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: Well trump, Ali Khamenei and C-19 only someone indifferent to suffering would not take pity on the Iranian people. Oh trump! Iranians have it good compared to North Korea. https://strategypage.com/qnd/korea/articles/20200414.aspx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #18 April 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, markharju said: We're dealing with Sharia, Taqia, and those who believe they are on a mission from g*d, funded by Quisling European states who want cheap oil. What could possibly go wrong? Do you have any reliable sources that say Iran was continuing to pursue nukes? I won't disagree that the Mossad pulled of a hell of a stunt getting those documents, but nobody who actually knows Iran's nuke program agreed with the Israeli assessment. The term 'nothingburger' was in the story you linked. All the other signatories to the deal (Including Trump's master, Putin) opposed the US pulling out of the agreement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #19 April 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, ryoder said: I can't believe they are still falling for that bullshit ten years after this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 They're unfortunately not alone: Theranos. https://www.businessinsider.com/the-history-of-silicon-valley-unicorn-theranos-and-ceo-elizabeth-holmes-2018-5?op=1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #20 April 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: Do you have any reliable sources that say Iran was continuing to pursue nukes? Yup. http://www.ibtimes.com/what-sanctions-against-iran-wont-be-lifted-bans-terrorism-support-human-rights-abuses-2008066 https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/07/14/key-excerpts-joint-comprehensive-plan-action-jcpoa Iran has continued since the agreement (and indeed accelerated) the use of terror as state policy. Like I said, it was part of the deal. Iran ignored that when they sent the Quds into Iraq (and MANY other places around the globe). That's on the Ayatollah, not 45. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,192 #21 April 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, gowlerk said: ... Persia is and has been a rational actor. They have good reason for the things they do. Meanwhile trump's friend and Jared's best buddy has attacked US oil. Oh well, if you pardon the pun. Has decided to destroy US domestic production capacity. Together with the bankers that lent to that industry.Donald Trump congratulates Vladimir Putin and Mohammad Bin Salman for reaching a deal to stop oil war, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #22 April 17, 2020 28 minutes ago, markharju said: believe they are on a mission from g*d, No different from the US. Remember comments like the crusades. Evangelicals are propping up Republicans etc etc etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #23 April 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, markharju said: Yup. http://www.ibtimes.com/what-sanctions-against-iran-wont-be-lifted-bans-terrorism-support-human-rights-abuses-2008066 https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/07/14/key-excerpts-joint-comprehensive-plan-action-jcpoa Iran has continued since the agreement (and indeed accelerated) the use of terror as state policy. Like I said, it was part of the deal. Iran ignored that when they sent the Quds into Iraq (and MANY other places around the globe). That's on the Ayatollah, not 45. The first one is a five year old article about certain sanctions continuing despite the nuke agreement. Did you not understand what I asked? One more time: Do you have any reliable source that says Iran continued to pursue nukes in violation of the agreement? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #24 April 17, 2020 Just now, SkyDekker said: No different from the US. Remember comments like the crusades. Evangelicals are propping up Republicans etc etc etc. Yes different. There is an absurd level of separation of church and state (and busybody watchdog groups to make sure of it) in the US to the point where any religious remarks made in public are treated as a heinous scandal, whereas in the ME, having the wrong personal or religious preferences can get you hanged from a crane, thrown off a building, beheaded with a knife, beheaded with det cord, geez...do I really have to go on? Iran is a theocracy meaning that every political decision must comply with stupid religious laws over 1500 years old. I despise Congress because they churn out new laws almost every day. BTW your own country passed a law making certain kinds of speech mandatory. Sound familiar? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,283 #25 April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, markharju said: There is an absurd level of separation of church and state NO LEVEL OF SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE CAN EVER RISE TO ABSURDITY. IT MUST BE ABSOLUTE. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
