JoeWeber 2,933 #1 Posted April 16, 2020 Not what the framers imagined, I'm fairly certain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #2 April 16, 2020 No SHIT!! We agree on THAT comment!! No WAY they expected that many stars on the flag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,273 #3 April 16, 2020 What are they saying? That the Constitution protects their Right to Infect? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,933 #4 April 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, gowlerk said: What are they saying? That the Constitution protects their Right to Infect? I think it's more like, finally we get to carry stupid guns to the courthouse and wear masks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,171 #5 April 16, 2020 At that protest one of the major networks was interviewing a woman about 45 yr old. "We have to go back to work" She bends her head to show about six inches of grey hair roots on the top of her head. "We have to get to the hairdressers". Poor thing! While in other countries $3000 fines and six months in jail. Are the results for those who don't understand that segments of society need protections from C-19.Welcome to the world that the "me" president has created. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #6 April 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: 43 minutes ago, gowlerk said: What are they saying? That the Constitution protects their Right to Infect? I think it's more like, finally we get to carry stupid guns to the courthouse and wear masks That's the state capital building where a couple thousand people in cars were honking their horns in protest of the Governor's restrictions which apparently are some of the most stringent in the country. "At least 200 people broke the instructions of organizers, getting out of their cars to congregate around the steps of the capitol building, flouting social-distancing guidelines to remain 6-feet apart, and not wearing masks." https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/15/835250693/michigan-stay-at-home-order-prompts-honking-traffic-jam-protest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #7 April 16, 2020 9 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Not what the framers imagined, I'm fairly certain. Michigan has a law against brandishing. They need to enforce it. I'm tired of seeing these idiots doing this shit. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(vzkvqat5213zzlzqs2no1b33))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-750-234e Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,273 #8 April 16, 2020 I was wondering what State Capital it was. Interesting that many of the 200 also felt the need to wave their weapons around! I assume there are really two Michigans, Detroit and everywhere else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,171 #9 April 16, 2020 48 minutes ago, ryoder said: Michigan has a law against brandishing. They need to enforce it. I'm tired of seeing these idiots doing this shit. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(vzkvqat5213zzlzqs2no1b33))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-750-234e Idiots is the word. They have no idea of the damage that images like that do to gun owners. Makes gun owners look like nutjobs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #10 April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Phil1111 said: At that protest one of the major networks was interviewing a woman about 45 yr old. "We have to go back to work" She bends her head to show about six inches of grey hair roots on the top of her head. "We have to get to the hairdressers". Poor thing! While in other countries $3000 fines and six months in jail. Are the results for those who don't understand that segments of society need protections from C-19.Welcome to the world that the "me" president has created. That's why we have a constitution. It keeps unreasonable things like this from happening. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #11 April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, ryoder said: Michigan has a law against brandishing. They need to enforce it. I'm tired of seeing these idiots doing this shit. http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(vzkvqat5213zzlzqs2no1b33))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-750-234e I think you should tell these guys in person. (At least 6 feet away, of course) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #12 April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: I think you should tell these guys in person. (At least 6 feet away, of course) So then are you agreeing with the use of guns to discourage active pushback? That is the "why the second amendment guns" argument, but what if the people using the guns are, in fact, wrong? There is no case where a pandemic is going to be dealt with, without hurting some people. The matter is choosing whether we let some of them get sick, or let others' money go away. Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #13 April 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, wmw999 said: So then are you agreeing with the use of guns to discourage active pushback? That is the "why the second amendment guns" argument, but what if the people using the guns are, in fact, wrong? There is no case where a pandemic is going to be dealt with, without hurting some people. The matter is choosing whether we let some of them get sick, or let others' money go away. Wendy P. I don't agree with them breaking the law. BUT . . .how many protesters in the past have been arrested for protesting? (Now that everyone has a fear of Covid-19, all of a sudden, magically, protesting is bad.) I wholeheartedly agree with them exercising their right to protest, peacefully. How many freedoms are you willing to give up because of this virus? Anecdotally, how many freedoms would the founders have given up because of this virus? Those protesters are obviously willing suffer the consequences for their actions. So be it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,273 #14 April 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: I don't agree with them breaking the law. BUT . . .how many protesters in the past have been arrested for protesting? Protest. That's what Antifa does. Yes somehow you see the group as evil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #15 April 16, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, gowlerk said: Protest. That's what Antifa does. Yes somehow you see the group as evil. I see their violence as evil. I, absolutely defend their right to peaceful protest. Edited April 16, 2020 by turtlespeed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #16 April 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Phil1111 said: Welcome to the world that the "me" president has created. I guess you think the "me" never existed prior to 2016? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,273 #17 April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: I see their violence as evil. Yet you failed just this week in an attempt to show an example of their violence. I'm sure with a little more work you could find something resembling violence. And most likely property damage. But over all Antifa is just what I called it. A boogeyman to the right and mostly fighting a just fight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,273 #18 April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, airdvr said: I guess you think the "me" never existed prior to 2016? Not the "me" presidency. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #19 April 16, 2020 23 minutes ago, gowlerk said: Not the "me" presidency. That is only because of your point of view. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #20 April 16, 2020 27 minutes ago, gowlerk said: Not the "me" presidency. Who was Slick Willy thinking about when he was getting head in the oval office? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #21 April 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, gowlerk said: Yet you failed just this week in an attempt to show an example of their violence. I'm sure with a little more work you could find something resembling violence. And most likely property damage. But over all Antifa is just what I called it. A boogeyman to the right and mostly fighting a just fight. Just so I'm clear, are you defending their actions, condoning them? Diminishing what they have done? Minimizing it to make it seem less than it really is? You should really do your own homework. I'll do it for you, this time: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/21/video_antifa_violence_at_peaceful_patriot_prayer_rally_in_portland.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-attack-portland-andy-ngo-portland-proud-boys-alt-right-a8981331.html Here - Try doing a google search. https://www.google.com/search?q=Antifa+violence+video&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS842US842&sxsrf=ALeKk03r7QkjQ-Kr9dlPEnLFsTB9OKWLUQ:1587056305358&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiSz8a6te3oAhUMeKwKHWgfDfIQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1368&bih=770&dpr=2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #22 April 16, 2020 I found this posted on another forum. I don't know where it came from: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 891 #23 April 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, airdvr said: Who was Slick Willy thinking about when he was getting head in the oval office? Newt Gingrich? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,273 #24 April 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Just so I'm clear, are you defending their actions, condoning them? Diminishing what they have done? Minimizing it to make it seem less than it really is? You should really do your own homework. I'll do it for you, this time: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/21/video_antifa_violence_at_peaceful_patriot_prayer_rally_in_portland.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-attack-portland-andy-ngo-portland-proud-boys-alt-right-a8981331.html Here - Try doing a google search. https://www.google.com/search?q=Antifa+violence+video&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS842US842&sxsrf=ALeKk03r7QkjQ-Kr9dlPEnLFsTB9OKWLUQ:1587056305358&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiSz8a6te3oAhUMeKwKHWgfDfIQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1368&bih=770&dpr=2 Hmmm.... how many victims hurt or killed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,584 #25 April 16, 2020 I guess I took your statement that someone should tell them in person as "if you dare -- they have guns." And that's the part I disagree with. The protest, no, of course not. Using the potential for intimidation in this manner is more troubling. I see this as being VERY different from using a baseball bat to get the point across to the goober with his drone next door. Wendy P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites