nigel99 616 #101 April 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, normiss said: Or those of a different color or sexual orientation. Those heathens beneath a christian are worse by far though. It doesn't matter to Ron how we all contribute, just those that are deserving should receive the support we all are entitled to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #102 April 21, 2020 3 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Completely off the subject, but shouldn't a counselor be unaffiliated to any religion with pre determined beliefs? Wouldn't that just make that person a propagandist for said belief? Shouldn't a counselor be impartial? When I worked in the programs, they were federally funded. I could only speak of a Higher Power. Now I am free to proclaim I am a Christian counselor. The client is free to continue or leave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #103 April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, wmw999 said: I can talk to that; I've been a social worker (though not a therapist), and I've talked with counselors about this. It's about being honest, and understanding that being a Christian (or Jew, or Muslim, or atheist) might affect how you think about problems. I've known people who specifically wanted a Christian counselor, because they wanted someone who bounds the world in the same way. And a good counselor is really mainly a mirror reflecting what the patient needs, rather than a light telling them who they are (it's frustrating, that thing of the counselor asking "what do you think is best for you?") It's kind of like a reporter needing to understand their biases. Everyone has biases. Most people cant change the whole world to accommodate their biases, so it's up to them either to understand the impact, or to bound what they're willing to deal with in the world. That's why some devout members of many religions choose to live in somewhat secluded neighborhoods, with lots of people they go to services with. Our laws don't allow them to refuse to sell to someone else, though, and that's where the "why don't they live with their own kind" arguments fail. If they can afford to buy in a given neighborhood, they have the right to. No matter how many piercings they have. Wendy P. Well stated, thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #104 April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, normiss said: Or those of a different color or sexual orientation. Those heathens beneath a christian are worse by far though. It doesn't matter to Ron how we all contribute, just those that are deserving should receive the support we all are entitled to. Wrong Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,939 #105 April 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, RonD1120 said: Wrong And you are demonstrably wrong. Why aren't you down on the border protesting the injustices visited on your Mexican and Christian Brothers and Sisters? That's because you a self contained white nationalist. And in your heart you know it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #106 April 22, 2020 50 minutes ago, JoeWeber said: And you are demonstrably wrong. Why aren't you down on the border protesting the injustices visited on your Mexican and Christian Brothers and Sisters? That's because you a self contained white nationalist. And in your heart you know it. Why are you not doing the same instead of sitting in your chair,( I forget if you are still sailing around in your yacht, or not ) instead of criticizing Ron for not doing the same thing you aren't doing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,939 #107 April 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Why are you not doing the same instead of sitting in your chair,( I forget if you are still sailing around in your yacht, or not ) instead of criticizing Ron for not doing the same thing you aren't doing. Turtle soup-san, it might be because I don't make the same claims as Ron. All things are not equivalent. For example, I do not need to be an idiot to validly claim someone else is indeed an idiot. Go pet your dog. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #108 April 22, 2020 12 hours ago, JoeWeber said: And you are demonstrably wrong. Why aren't you down on the border protesting the injustices visited on your Mexican and Christian Brothers and Sisters? That's because you a self contained white nationalist. And in your heart you know it. Come on, at my age I don't go anywhere to protest anything. To do my part, I have hired two Christian Mexicans to paint my porch. And, we are going to feed them lunch as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #109 April 22, 2020 1 hour ago, RonD1120 said: Come on, at my age I don't go anywhere to protest anything. To do my part, I have hired two Christian Mexicans to paint my porch. And, we are going to feed them lunch as well. Did you verify their citizenship? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #110 April 22, 2020 3 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Did you verify their citizenship? Make sure you report them, or at least maybe have them wear something identifying so it is easier for others to see! PAPIERE BITTE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,179 #111 April 22, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Did you verify their citizenship? 31 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Make sure you report them, or at least maybe have them wear something identifying so it is easier for others to see! PAPIERE BITTE Probably MS-13 With C-19 and IS views. What about stealing jobs? From Turtle's source a quote from Tucker. Turtle are you going to allow Ron to get away with that? Tucker says its bad for America. Edited April 22, 2020 by Phil1111 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #112 April 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil1111 said: Probably MS-13 With C-19 and IS views. What about stealing jobs? From Turtle's source a quote from Tucker. Turtle are you going to allow Ron to get away with that? Tucker says its bad for America. I don't watch him - so . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 616 #113 April 22, 2020 8 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Did you verify their citizenship? If they are Mexican as opposed to Hispanic can they be US citizens? I was t sure the US allowed dual citizenship. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #114 April 23, 2020 20 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Did you verify their citizenship? No, I verified their faith in Christ. They are part of our community. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #115 April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, RonD1120 said: No, I verified their faith in Christ. They are part of our community. Interesting. So what I can glean from your statement is that a Pentecostal illegal immigrant, is OK. It's the rest that must be kept out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #116 April 23, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Interesting. So what I can glean from your statement is that a Pentecostal illegal immigrant, is OK. It's the rest that must be kept out. That would be a linear thought process. I deal with individuals 1:1 evaluation. I deal with policies as non-linear concepts. I do not want open borders. It's kinda like your wife comes to you and confesses having an affair but she is very sorry and it is over. You forgive her and give her a second chance. A 1:1 evaluation. However, if you come home early and catch her in the act you shoot her and her lover. A conceptual evaluation. Edited April 23, 2020 by RonD1120 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #117 April 23, 2020 yeah yeah, we get it, illegal immigration is bad unless you yourself get to benefit from it. I am not a racist, I have a black friend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #118 April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, RonD1120 said: That would be a linear thought process. I deal with individuals 1:1 evaluation. I deal with policies as non-linear concepts. I do not want open borders. It's kinda like your wife comes to you and confesses having an affair but she is very sorry and it is over. You forgive her and give her a second chance. A 1:1 evaluation. However, if you come home early and catch her in the act you shoot her and her lover. A conceptual evaluation. Are you saying you would kill your wife if you caught her like that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #119 April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: Are you saying you would kill your wife if you caught her like that? LOL Linear thinking, this causes that. Non-linear thinking, this and that manifest at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #120 April 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, RonD1120 said: LOL Linear thinking, this causes that. Non-linear thinking, this and that manifest at the same time. Ok cool. So now we know if you caught your wife having an affair you would kill her at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #121 April 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, jakee said: Ok cool. So now we know if you caught your wife having an affair you would kill her at the same time. simultaneously ignoring the illegal immigrant . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #122 April 23, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: simultaneously ignoring the illegal immigrant . . . They're not illegal if you're on a first name basis and they're cool. Then they're just unofficially relocated. Edited April 23, 2020 by jakee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #123 April 23, 2020 1 hour ago, jakee said: Ok cool. So now we know if you caught your wife having an affair you would kill her at the same time. It's rare for a self declared christian to actually turn the other cheek. I think the whole vengeance is mine bit confused them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #124 April 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, normiss said: It's rare for a self declared christian to actually turn the other cheek. I think the whole vengeance is mine bit confused them. Eye for an eye . . . bullet for an indiscretion . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #125 April 24, 2020 13 hours ago, turtlespeed said: simultaneously ignoring the illegal immigrant . . . Don't ask, don't tell. At least if you want that job done for a reasonable amount. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
