billvon 3,114 #51 April 16, 2020 17 hours ago, brenthutch said: Just exactly where does the money from the public dole come from? The blue contributor states - and of course endless borrowing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #52 April 16, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, billvon said: The blue contributor states - and of course endless borrowing. I do not think that the states supply the money. I'm sure they do in some fashion, but the bulk comes from the people in those states. Edited April 16, 2020 by turtlespeed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #53 April 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: I do not think that the states supply the money. I'm sure they do in some fashion, but the bulk comes from the people in those states. Of course. People make up a state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #54 April 16, 2020 4 hours ago, billvon said: The blue contributor states - and of course endless borrowing. It's strange how the biggest "takers" also tend to be the most vocal anti-socialists. Cognitive dissonance? Or displacing guilt? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #55 April 16, 2020 Just now, kallend said: It's strange how the biggest "takers" also tend to be the most vocal anti-socialists. Cognitive dissonance? Or displacing guilt? Greed. "Gimmie mine. Don't give any of mine to anyone else." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,176 #56 April 16, 2020 46 minutes ago, kallend said: It's strange how the biggest "takers" also tend to be the most vocal anti-socialists. Cognitive dissonance? Or displacing guilt? 43 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: Greed. "Gimmie mine. Don't give any of mine to anyone else." John and Joe seem to know the most about this issue so here is a free pdf book entitled The Conservative Nanny State: How the Wealthy Use the Government to Stay Rich and Get Richer if they have the time and want to dive into the corners of corporate welfare. For trump supporters that seem to lack the drive to understand economics. Here is a overview of how corporate welfare is peddled by current republicans. Its simply worded just for them.Corporate Welfare Lives On and On For those who like to skim: "with the ascendancy of rightwing political parties since the late 1970s and early 1980s. It was argued, as it is today, that if societies accept the standard fare of neoclassical economics – deregulation, flexible labour markets, reducing government intervention, greater competition – then entire populations would be better off. But regardless of what one may think about conventional economic theory, the actual policies put in place by the right are often diametrically opposed to the rhetoric." For trump supporters still peddling "trickle down", the FOX line on "socialism" and other such B.S. A little article on the divergence of wealth caused by republicans over the last 30 years. That in part led to trump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 616 #57 April 17, 2020 12 hours ago, kallend said: "When Americans see Trump’s name on those stimulus checks, most won’t regard him as their benefactor. They will see a weak, desperate and selfish man who pretends that the money they pay in taxes is his own." E.J. Dionne I disagree. I think the average Trump supporter will think it’s a personal gift from Trump. He’ll probably fully paid for by him not drawing his salary. The fact that the USA allowed this shows your rapid descent into a banana republic. It’s the kind of cheap stunt Robert Mugabe would have done to buy voters. Trump is a shrewd conman and he’s exploited the weaknesses of your political system. Honestly I predict Trump will win this re election and to be blunt I would not be surprised to see the Trump name continued after the second term by Ivanka. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,938 #58 April 17, 2020 4 hours ago, turtlespeed said: I do not think that the states supply the money. I'm sure they do in some fashion, but the bulk comes from the people in those states. Are you F'n serious? You know States don't print their own money these days, or do you? The Fed taxes everyone and then divides the pot disproportionally according to need. As it turns out Red States with lot's of morons who love Trump need more. Gotta be coincidence, right? Turtlewhopper, you really should get a Labrador. Nothing dumb you say will cause it to love you less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #59 April 17, 2020 16 hours ago, kallend said: "When Americans see Trump’s name on those stimulus checks, most won’t regard him as their benefactor. They will see a weak, desperate and selfish man who pretends that the money they pay in taxes is his own." E.J. Dionne I think it gives millions of people the opportunity to write "FUCK" before his name, or something similarly appropriate after. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #60 April 17, 2020 16 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Turtlewhopper, you really should get a Labrador. Nothing dumb you say will cause it to love you less. That is fucking funny. I don't care who you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,938 #61 April 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: That is fucking funny. I don't care who you are. Please, don't lower your standards for my sake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #62 April 17, 2020 2 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Please, don't lower your standards for my sake. Your comedy is surpassed only by cancer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,176 #63 April 17, 2020 2 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Please, don't lower your standards for my sake. 9 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: Your comedy is surpassed only by cancer. Well clearly you haven't been into the bourbon enough. I find he amuses me, although I'm pissed to find out that standards are involved . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #64 April 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Phil1111 said: Well clearly you haven't been into the bourbon enough. I find he amuses me, although I'm pissed to find out that standards are involved . That's likely because I don't drink. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,938 #65 April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: That's likely because I don't drink. It might well be time for you to recognize the ill effects of sobriety. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #66 April 19, 2020 On 4/17/2020 at 6:06 PM, JoeWeber said: It might well be time for you to recognize the ill effects of sobriety. I've made enough bad decisions, but thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #67 April 19, 2020 Are those of you who hate President Trump and oppose his agenda going to return your stimulus check? Are those of you who are Christian going to give 10% to your church? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScottishJohn 25 #68 April 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, RonD1120 said: Are those of you who hate President Trump and oppose his agenda going to return your stimulus check? Are those of you who are Christian going to give 10% to your church? If you hate Trump and don't need the stimulus cheque, don't return it to the Orange Shit Gibbon. Donate it to the WHO instead. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #69 April 19, 2020 55 minutes ago, RonD1120 said: Are those of you who hate President Trump and oppose his agenda going to return your stimulus check? Are those of you who are Christian going to give 10% to your church? I would recommend going here to get rid of any surplus funds in a moral way.https://act.moveon.org/donate/stoptrump_winthesenate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #70 April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, RonD1120 said: Are those of you who hate President Trump and oppose his agenda going to return your stimulus check? Are those of you who are Christian going to give 10% to your church? It's not Trump's money, so that is a totally irrelevant comment. Are those of you who repeatedly profess anti-socialism going to return your checks? Or just be hypocrites. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #71 April 19, 2020 4 hours ago, kallend said: It's not Trump's money, so that is a totally irrelevant comment. Are those of you who repeatedly profess anti-socialism going to return your checks? Or just be hypocrites. Why would I return the taxes that I paid, that we’re being returned or refunded to me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #72 April 19, 2020 Just now, turtlespeed said: Why would I return the taxes that I paid, that we’re being returned or refunded to me? So you choose socialism. OK, we'll remember that. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #73 April 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, kallend said: So you choose socialism. OK, we'll remember that. Incorrect. But thanks for playing. Now, answer the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 893 #74 April 19, 2020 43 minutes ago, kallend said: So you choose socialism. OK, we'll remember that. Just wait until these same people realize they will be taxed on it too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #75 April 19, 2020 11 hours ago, RonD1120 said: Are those of you who hate President Trump and oppose his agenda going to return your stimulus check? Are those of you who are Christian going to give 10% to your church? I'm not getting one. I am sure you will keep it and deposit it with all your other entitlement checks - then come home and complain about socialism some more. I donate about 10% of my salary a year to several charities including CMMB. How about you? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
