Stimulus Checks May Be Delayed Because Trump Wants His Name Printed On Them

[billvon 3,111]

4 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Why would I return the taxes that I paid, that we’re being returned or refunded to me?

Cool - you have just hit on a way to defend any government program as "not socialism" since everyone pays taxes one way or another.

[turtlespeed 226]

30 minutes ago, billvon said:

Cool - you have just hit on a way to defend any government program as "not socialism" since everyone pays taxes one way or another.

If you say so.

[RonD1120 62]

14 hours ago, billvon said:

I'm not getting one.  I am sure you will keep it and deposit it with all your other entitlement checks - then come home and complain about socialism some more.

I donate about 10% of my salary a year to several charities including CMMB.  How about you?

I tithe 10% to my church and then donate to worthy causes, some deductible some not.

ETA: Are you Roman Catholic? If so that would explain your affinity for socialism. I mean that in a good way. You would have been programed to believe in systems and system authority.

I was raised in the country and became Pentecostal. We are programed to be independent and only use systems when necessary or convenient.

 

Edited April 20, 2020 by RonD1120

[nigel99 616]

9 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

I tithe 10% to my church and then donate to worthy causes, some deductible some not.

ETA: Are you Roman Catholic? If so that would explain your affinity for socialism. I mean that in a good way. You would have been programed to believe in systems and system authority.

I was raised in the country and became Pentecostal. We are programed to be independent and only use systems when necessary or convenient.

 

You only need systems when necessary or convenient. Well most dole bludgers find drawing money off the state convenient so that they can sit home and drink beer on the porch instead of working. So I guess that fits right into your view of morality.

Seriously your views of the world are strange. It’s not socialism if you’re a redneck, bible thumping white man. If you’re black, Hispanic or female you’re a leech on society.

[billvon 3,111]

11 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

I tithe 10% to my church and then donate to worthy causes, some deductible some not.

ETA: Are you Roman Catholic? If so that would explain your affinity for socialism. I mean that in a good way. You would have been programed to believe in systems and system authority.

I used to be.  Not any more.

[RonD1120 62]

13 hours ago, nigel99 said:

You only need systems when necessary or convenient. Well most dole bludgers find drawing money off the state convenient so that they can sit home and drink beer on the porch instead of working. So I guess that fits right into your view of morality.

Those folks are not in my peer group. Those types are found in the metropolitan areas.

[jakee 1,594]

16 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

Those folks are not in my peer group. Those types are found in the metropolitan areas.

Right, you excuse certain behaviour among members of your peer group and attack it in people you view as 'other'. Quite a neat encapsulation of religion in general.

[JoeWeber 2,937]

18 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

Those folks are not in my peer group.

Lord love a duck! (no offense Bill) There are more like you?

[RonD1120 62]

35 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Lord love a duck! (no offense Bill) There are more like you?

10 million Pentecostals

 

Although statistics on Pentecostalism are difficult to obtain, it has been estimated that there are more than 10 million Pentecostals in the United States, including 5.5 million members of the Church of God in Christ and 2.5 million members of the Assemblies of God.

 

Pentecostalism | Britannica

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pentecostalism

 

I am a member of the Church of God Cleveland TN

Members: 7,516,958 (as of August 2018)

[JoeWeber 2,937]

20 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

10 million Pentecostals

 

Although statistics on Pentecostalism are difficult to obtain, it has been estimated that there are more than 10 million Pentecostals in the United States, including 5.5 million members of the Church of God in Christ and 2.5 million members of the Assemblies of God.

 

Pentecostalism | Britannica

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Pentecostalism

 

I am a member of the Church of God Cleveland TN

Members: 7,516,958 (as of August 2018)

Thus spake the "Where's Waldo" of Pentecostals.

[normiss 892]

53 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Thus spake the "Where's Waldo" of Pentecostals.

Around 3% of the population is considered a minority, so maybe they're hard to find.

 

[billvon 3,111]

On 4/20/2020 at 5:33 AM, RonD1120 said:

ETA: Are you Roman Catholic? If so that would explain your affinity for socialism. I mean that in a good way. You would have been programed to believe in systems and system authority.

I was raised in the country and became Pentecostal. We are programed to be independent and only use systems when necessary or convenient.

Quite the irony, then, that you are now living on government entitlements while I am working and creating value. (And paying a ton of taxes)  But have no fear; I am willing to work to pay your bills so you can complain about socialism.  As long as there are people like me to subsidize your entitlement lifestyle you'll be able to continue complaining about it.

[airdvr 210]

58 minutes ago, billvon said:

Quite the irony, then, that you are now living on government entitlements while I am working and creating value. (And paying a ton of taxes)  But have no fear; I am willing to work to pay your bills so you can complain about socialism.  As long as there are people like me to subsidize your entitlement lifestyle you'll be able to continue complaining about it.

Umm..where can I find these subsidies?

[billvon 3,111]

6 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Umm..where can I find these subsidies?

Medicare and Social Security.

[airdvr 210]

2 minutes ago, billvon said:

Medicare and Social Security.

That's few years off for me...and you.

[billvon 3,111]

Just now, airdvr said:

That's few years off for me...and you.

Agreed.  In the meantime, I am happy to pay to support Ron's lifestyle.

[RonD1120 62]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Quite the irony, then, that you are now living on government entitlements while I am working and creating value. (And paying a ton of taxes)  But have no fear; I am willing to work to pay your bills so you can complain about socialism.  As long as there are people like me to subsidize your entitlement lifestyle you'll be able to continue complaining about it.

You always overlook the fact that I worked and paid in my share. It was mandatory and now I reap the benefit. It is not a freebee.

[billvon 3,111]

11 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

You always overlook the fact that I worked and paid in my share. It was mandatory and now I reap the benefit. It is not a freebee.

I am not overlooking that at all.  But the reality is you are now living your lifestyle funded by the government - and my tax money is supporting those programs to allow you to live your relaxed lifestyle, and to spend your time complaining about the socialism that supports that lifestyle.  And you have every right to do that; it's a free country.

(You're welcome BTW.)

And other people do this, too.  Those illegal immigrants who get education?  They are getting their income tax and sales tax money back.  Those out of work freeloaders?  They are getting their unemployment taxes back.  Those green energy programs that the GOP hates?  They are getting their employment taxes back.  Just like you, they are getting back money they paid into the system.  So you are in good company.
 

[turtlespeed 226]

29 minutes ago, billvon said:

I am not overlooking that at all.  But the reality is you are now living your lifestyle funded by the government
 

So - If an IRA/401K was used instead of Social Security, would you still say that he's using government money?

 

 

[kallend 2,146]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

I am not overlooking that at all.  But the reality is you are now living your lifestyle funded by the government - and my tax money is supporting those programs to allow you to live your relaxed lifestyle, and to spend your time complaining about the socialism that supports that lifestyle.  And you have every right to do that; it's a free country.

(You're welcome BTW.)

And other people do this, too.  Those illegal immigrants who get education?  They are getting their income tax and sales tax money back.  Those out of work freeloaders?  They are getting their unemployment taxes back.  Those green energy programs that the GOP hates?  They are getting their employment taxes back.  Just like you, they are getting back money they paid into the system.  So you are in good company.
 

It's only evil socialism when someone poorer than you benefits, because they deserve to be poor.

When you benefit, it's just getting what you deserve because your taxes paid for it.

[billvon 3,111]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

So - If an IRA/401K was used instead of Social Security, would you still say that he's using government money

Nope.  I am referring to his past discussions of the Social Security and Medicare benefits he enjoys.

[RonD1120 62]

3 minutes ago, billvon said:

Nope.  I am referring to his past discussions of the Social Security and Medicare benefits he enjoys.

FYI, I worked in the social services field most of my professional life. I chose that field because I am not motivated very much by money. Just enough to get by, that is all I ever looked for. I simply wanted to help those in trouble and less fortunate than I. As a program manager the highest salary I was ever paid was $39K/yr and that lasted only 1.5 years. 

Most of you guys probably spend that much on lunch over the year.

The small SS check I receive was hard earned and I fully except my lot in life.

I am still available for counseling at no charge to those who would seek my help. God does and did provide for all my needs according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus.

[turtlespeed 226]

13 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

FYI, I worked in the social services field most of my professional life. I chose that field because I am not motivated very much by money. Just enough to get by, that is all I ever looked for. I simply wanted to help those in trouble and less fortunate than I. As a program manager the highest salary I was ever paid was $39K/yr and that lasted only 1.5 years. 

Most of you guys probably spend that much on lunch over the year.

The small SS check I receive was hard earned and I fully except my lot in life.

I am still available for counseling at no charge to those who would seek my help. God does and did provide for all my needs according to His riches in glory in Christ Jesus.

Completely off the subject, but shouldn't a counselor be unaffiliated to any religion with pre determined beliefs?  

Wouldn't that just make that person a propagandist for said belief?

Shouldn't a counselor be impartial?

[wmw999 2,587]

54 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Completely off the subject, but shouldn't a counselor be unaffiliated to any religion with pre determined beliefs?  

Wouldn't that just make that person a propagandist for said belief?

Shouldn't a counselor be impartial?

I can talk to that; I've been a social worker (though not a therapist), and I've talked with counselors about this. It's about being honest, and understanding that being a Christian (or Jew, or Muslim, or atheist) might affect how you think about problems. I've known people who specifically wanted a Christian counselor, because they wanted someone who bounds the world in the same way. And a good counselor is really mainly a mirror reflecting what the patient needs, rather than a light telling them who they are (it's frustrating, that thing of the counselor asking "what do you think is best for you?")

It's kind of like a reporter needing to understand their biases. Everyone has biases. Most people cant change the whole world to accommodate their biases, so it's up to them either to understand the impact, or to bound what they're willing to deal with in the world. That's why some devout members of many religions choose to live in somewhat secluded neighborhoods, with lots of people they go to services with.

Our laws don't allow them to refuse to sell to someone else, though, and that's where the "why don't they live with their own kind" arguments fail. If they can afford to buy in a given neighborhood, they have the right to. No matter how many piercings they have.

Wendy P.

 

[normiss 892]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

It's only evil socialism when someone poorer than you benefits, because they deserve to be poor.

When you benefit, it's just getting what you deserve because your taxes paid for it.

Or those of a different color or sexual orientation. Those heathens beneath a christian are worse by far though.

It doesn't matter to Ron how we all contribute, just those that are deserving should receive the support we all are entitled to.