Twats in DC - no deal tonight

[airdvr 210]

 

[ryoder 1,590]

Fuck the cruise lines. They register their ships in foreign countries to avoid US laws and taxes.

[kallend 2,146]

Funny how the Republicans who don't want the government picking winners and losers, suddenly want to give the administration almost unlimited power to pick winners and losers. 

[BIGUN 1,483]

3 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Any money used from the tax coffers to subsidize corporations SHOULD have some strings attached. Hand them a blank check without some sensible restrictions...

No disagreement. I asked my other half (veterinarian/SB Owner) - How come the big corporations get a bailout, but you get an SBA loan? We did that before - it took two years to close the note (On a physical asset with enough collateral to cover the note).

IMO All the bailouts should maintain regard for being stewards of taxpayer dollars and all government "bailouts" incurred should be in the form of debt against assets.  IOW - Seizure; no bankruptcy for you. You're not going to hit the taxpayer's twice.  

Edited March 23, 2020 by BIGUN
Cause I need a second cup of coffee

[kallend 2,146]

13 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

No disagreement. I asked my other half (veterinarian/SB Owner) - How come the big corporations get a bailout, but you get an SBA loan? We did that before - it took two years to close the note (On a physical asset with enough collateral to cover the note).

IMO All the bailouts should maintain regard for being stewards of taxpayer dollars and all government "bailouts" incurred should be in the form of debt against assets.  IOW - Seizure; no bankruptcy for you. You're not going to hit the taxpayer's twice.  

Remember how the AIG execs gave themselves huge bonuses following the 2008-9 bailout?

[BIGUN 1,483]

1 minute ago, kallend said:

Remember how the AIG execs gave themselves huge bonuses following the 2008-9 bailout?

I do and it pissed me off. 

[airdvr 210]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

Remember how the AIG execs gave themselves huge bonuses following the 2008-9 bailout?

I do.  And I remember how vigorously your hero prosecuted those responsible for the meltdown.  Wait,,,that was just a pipe dream.

[billvon 3,111]

3 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I do.  And I remember how vigorously your hero prosecuted those responsible for the meltdown.  Wait,,,that was just a pipe dream.

No, it wasn't.  The House of Representatives (you know, full of all those people you hate) passed a bill that taxed them 90% on those bonuses.  The Senate added massive taxes on top of that. 

One poor Citi employee lambasted the democrats, saying "... by mid-October, I will hit $250,000 in total income -- and have no incentive to earn any more income in 2009" - and he would therefore refuse to work any more that year.  Poor Citi employee.

[Phil1111 1,176]

43 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I do.  And I remember how vigorously your hero prosecuted those responsible for the meltdown.  Wait,,,that was just a pipe dream.

35 bankers were sent to prison for financial crisis crimes     by Obama

[billvon 3,111]

5 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

35 bankers were sent to prison for financial crisis crimes     by Obama

Details, details.  The important thing is "Obama bad."  That might work to distract people from Trump's failures.

[airdvr 210]

35 people?  Wow!!  Millions were affected.  There should have been at least 1,000 not including the folks at Moody's.

35 patsies to assuage the masses.

[turtlespeed 226]

7 minutes ago, billvon said:

Details, details.  The important thing is "Obama bad."  That might work to distract people from Trump's failures.

Yep and the important thing at this moment is "Trump bad".

[billvon 3,111]

1 minute ago, airdvr said:

35 people?  Wow!!  Millions were affected.  There should have been at least 1,000 not including the folks at Moody's.

So justice has nothing to do with who committed crimes, but how many people were affected?  You choose a number that's popular, and keep throwing people in jail for whatever until you reach that number?

Justice, GOP style.

 

[airdvr 210]

7 hours ago, kallend said:

Funny how the Republicans who don't want the government picking winners and losers, suddenly want to give the administration almost unlimited power to pick winners and losers. 

Ya know John...this post was free from right and left politics and in the space of three posts you manage to insert party lines.  I think you need a period of political distancing until this is over.

My point was DC sucks.  I'm sick of all of them.

[airdvr 210]

1 minute ago, billvon said:

So justice has nothing to do with who committed crimes, but how many people were affected?  You choose a number that's popular, and keep throwing people in jail for whatever until you reach that number?

Justice, GOP style.

 

So you really think that only 35 people were culpable?  Let me guess...all Republicans.

[billvon 3,111]

1 minute ago, airdvr said:

My point was DC sucks.  I'm sick of all of them.

Democrats do something bad - "Too bad Dems hate people/freedom/success/morality!  Really shows their colors.  Why would ANYONE defend or support these cretins?"

Republicans do something bad - "it's not the GOP, it's DC.  They all do it.  I'm sick of all of them."

[billvon 3,111]

1 minute ago, airdvr said:

So you really think that only 35 people were culpable?  Let me guess...all Republicans.

I think the number of people who actually committed crimes were probably close to 100.  (Actual crimes, not "made rich Republicans get the sads.")  Of those, 35 ended up with jail sentences.  The rest got off on technicalities, or demonstrated mitigating circumstances, or turned evidence on a larger criminal in return for a reduced sentence, or were found guilty and fined.  

[turtlespeed 226]

2 minutes ago, billvon said:

Democrats do something bad - "Too bad Dems hate people/freedom/success/morality!  Really shows their colors.  Why would ANYONE defend or support these cretins?"

Republicans do something bad - "it's not the GOP, it's DC.  They all do it.  I'm sick of all of them."

Thanks for the Bias.

For a LOT of posters here, Its more like this:

(The other side) do something bad - "Too bad (the other side) hate people/freedom/success/morality!  Really shows their colors.  Why would ANYONE defend or support these cretins?"

(The other side) do something bad - "it's not the (Our Side), it's DC.  They all do it.  I'm sick of all of them."

 

 

[yoink 321]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Thanks for the Bias.

For a LOT of posters here, Its more like this:

(The other side) do something bad - "Too bad (the other side) hate people/freedom/success/morality!  Really shows their colors.  Why would ANYONE defend or support these cretins?"

(The other side) do something bad - "it's not the (Our Side), it's DC.  They all do it.  I'm sick of all of them."

 

 

You have just described yourself, to a tee. You're blind to your own bias.

[Phil1111 1,176]

4 hours ago, airdvr said:

I do.  And I remember how vigorously your hero prosecuted those responsible for the meltdown.  Wait,,,that was just a pipe dream.

3 hours ago, airdvr said:

Ya know John...this post was free from right and left politics and in the space of three posts you manage to insert party lines.  I think you need a period of political distancing until this is over.

My point was DC sucks.  I'm sick of all of them.

Its OK John trump Is Developing a Case of Coronavirus Amnesia Its easy for republicans to forget what they posted an hour earlier.

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Phil1111

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Boeing spent the last 10 years using around 75% of its free cash flow to buy back stock. Amounts to $47 billion or so. A large part of that was the tax break handed to them by the current administration.

Now within a week of a downturn they need a $50 billion handout to keep going? That is just gross mismanagement for the sole purpose of enriching the executives. Boeing needs to fail because it has been poorly managed.

The same goes for the majority of US airlines. What you are seeing is that free markets alone simply don't work. Where have all those Republicans and Libertarians gone with the: "the market will sort it out" commentary? What happened to: companies and people without money just need to do better?

Healthcare for your society is too expensive, but not voting in favour of giving this current administration a $500 billion slush fund with effectively zero oversight is somehow "playing politics". Unbelievable.

Edited March 23, 2020 by SkyDekker

[billvon 3,111]

26 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

The same goes for the majority of US airlines. What you are seeing is that free markets alone simply don't work. Where have all those Republicans and Libertarians gone with the: "the market will sort it out" commentary? What happened to: companies and people without money just need to do better?

"Let the market decide!  Unless the market is being hard on our biggest campaign donors.  Then letting the market decide is socialism."

[turtlespeed 226]

2 hours ago, yoink said:

You have just described yourself, to a tee. You're blind to your own bias.

I'm not blind to it.  

On several occasions I have admitted it.

Have you?

[airdvr 210]

Seems to me the bottom line in this is one we all know to be true...we aren't a top priority in DC.  It's been that way for too long.

Edited March 24, 2020 by airdvr

[Phil1111 1,176]

3 hours ago, airdvr said:

Seems to me the bottom line in this is one we all know to be true...we aren't a top priority in DC.  It's been that way for too long.

Agree, who would have thought 31/2 years would be an eternity!