Naomi hates you all

[billvon 3,114]

All you non-white, diversity-supporting, energy-saving people that is.

The genesis of Naomi Seibt has been fascinating.  When Greta Thunberg first came on the world stage, climate change deniers and US right wingers ignored her for a bit, hoping she would go away.  She didn't.  Then they started in with the personal attacks - she braids her hair like a Nazi, she's  "ignorant and maniacal" and "needs a spanking."  She's "mentally ill."  They'd photoshop pictures of her to make her look absurd.  That backfired.  Turns out most people (even some Republicans!) find personal attacks against a 15 year old autistic girl - and hopes for violence against her - somewhat distasteful. 

Then they switched gears into concern troll mode.  "I feel really bad for Greta, manipulated by climate activists/her parents/George Soros into doing something she doesn't understand!"   "Why, it's child abuse, is what it is."  That didn't work either; the evil manipulators proved hard to find.  Then they tried the science angle.  "After she goes and studies economics in college she can come back and explain that to us."  "She's a child, not a scientist."  That failed too, primarily because Thunberg kept saying "don't listen to me, listen to the scientists."

So they were out of options.  The "she's a paid spokesperson" didn't work.  "She's not a scientist" didn't work.  "She's evil" didn't work.  So what to do?  Get Naomi!

Naomi Seibt is a German climate change denier who has gotten a lot of press with the help of the CPAC.  She is now being paid by the Heartland Institute to spread her views.  They see her as a perfect foil to Thunberg - after all, she's a young girl!  The fact that she is also many of the things they complained about Thunberg being bothers them not at all.  

And she's perfect in more ways than one.  She credits part of her inspiration to white supremacists like Stefan Molyneux, who has said things like "screaming 'racist' at people because blacks are collectively less intelligent is insane" and "You cannot run a high IQ society with low IQ people…these [non-white] immigrants are going to fail...you are importing a gene set that is incompatible with success in a free-market economy.”  So they know she's aligned with right wing values on immigration.

And perhaps the funniest thing is that even though she's adopted Thunberg's approach - and in fact uses the same phraseology as Thunberg (like "I don't want you to panic", responding to Thunberg's "I want you to panic") - she claims she is nothing like Thunberg, and is not her diametric opposite. “The reason I don’t like the term ‘anti-Greta’ is that it suggests I am an indoctrinated puppet myself,” she said recently.

Still, something tells me she likes those checks rolling in from the Heartland Institute.

 

[JoeWeber 2,938]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

All you non-white, diversity-supporting, energy-saving people that is.

The genesis of Naomi Seibt has been fascinating.  When Greta Thunberg first came on the world stage, climate change deniers and US right wingers ignored her for a bit, hoping she would go away.  She didn't.  Then they started in with the personal attacks - she braids her hair like a Nazi, she's  "ignorant and maniacal" and "needs a spanking."  She's "mentally ill."  They'd photoshop pictures of her to make her look absurd.  That backfired.  Turns out most people (even some Republicans!) find personal attacks against a 15 year old autistic girl - and hopes for violence against her - somewhat distasteful. 

Then they switched gears into concern troll mode.  "I feel really bad for Greta, manipulated by climate activists/her parents/George Soros into doing something she doesn't understand!"   "Why, it's child abuse, is what it is."  That didn't work either; the evil manipulators proved hard to find.  Then they tried the science angle.  "After she goes and studies economics in college she can come back and explain that to us."  "She's a child, not a scientist."  That failed too, primarily because Thunberg kept saying "don't listen to me, listen to the scientists."

So they were out of options.  The "she's a paid spokesperson" didn't work.  "She's not a scientist" didn't work.  "She's evil" didn't work.  So what to do?  Get Naomi!

Naomi Seibt is a German climate change denier who has gotten a lot of press with the help of the CPAC.  She is now being paid by the Heartland Institute to spread her views.  They see her as a perfect foil to Thunberg - after all, she's a young girl!  The fact that she is also many of the things they complained about Thunberg being bothers them not at all.  

And she's perfect in more ways than one.  She credits part of her inspiration to white supremacists like Stefan Molyneux, who has said things like "screaming 'racist' at people because blacks are collectively less intelligent is insane" and "You cannot run a high IQ society with low IQ people…these [non-white] immigrants are going to fail...you are importing a gene set that is incompatible with success in a free-market economy.”  So they know she's aligned with right wing values on immigration.

And perhaps the funniest thing is that even though she's adopted Thunberg's approach - and in fact uses the same phraseology as Thunberg (like "I don't want you to panic", responding to Thunberg's "I want you to panic") - she claims she is nothing like Thunberg, and is not her diametric opposite. “The reason I don’t like the term ‘anti-Greta’ is that it suggests I am an indoctrinated puppet myself,” she said recently.

Still, something tells me she likes those checks rolling in from the Heartland Institute.

 

Leugnung macht frei

[airdvr 210]

If the science is settled why your fear of people like Naomi?

[brenthutch 444]

"I don't want you to panic, I want you to think."

Compare that to Greta's UN speech, and tell me who you would want as your spokesperson?

[billvon 3,114]

2 hours ago, airdvr said:

If the science is settled why your fear of people like Naomi?

Fear?  I think she's great!  Good to see young people speaking their minds (or in this case getting paid to say something.)  And perhaps now that the right is being told to accept the word of a 19 year old, they will start listening to the input of other kids.

[airdvr 210]

16 minutes ago, billvon said:

Fear?  I think she's great!  Good to see young people speaking their minds (or in this case getting paid to say something.)  And perhaps now that the right is being told to accept the word of a 19 year old, they will start listening to the input of other kids.

You tried to run her down a couple of posts back, now she's great.

[wmw999 2,587]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

You tried to run her down a couple of posts back, now she's great.

It's entirely possible that he can be happy for her that she has a paying gig, and still disagree with what she says.

Wendy P.

[billvon 3,114]

7 hours ago, airdvr said:

You tried to run her down a couple of posts back, now she's great.

I think it's great that she's speaking out.  I don't agree with her message, but I don't agree with a lot of people's messages.

The original post was focused on the people who claimed Greta Thunberg should be ignored because she was nuts, ugly, a paid shill, too young, too inexperienced, had no qualifications and didn't know her place.  Now they are paying a young, inexperienced person without qualifications (who doesn't know her place any better than Thunberg, apparently) to be a shill for them.  Funny, that.

 

[brenthutch 444]

8 hours ago, billvon said:

I think it's great that she's speaking out.  I don't agree with her message, but I don't agree with a lot of people's messages.

The original post was focused on the people who claimed Greta Thunberg should be ignored because she was nuts, ugly, a paid shill, too young, too inexperienced, had no qualifications and didn't know her place.  Now they are paying a young, inexperienced person without qualifications (who doesn't know her place any better than Thunberg, apparently) to be a shill for them.  Funny, that.

 

So you admit that Greta is a shill?

[DJL 235]

On 3/2/2020 at 7:28 AM, brenthutch said:

So you admit that Greta is a shill?

I don't think she's a shill.  I think it's funny that the response from the people screaming about Greta being a shill is to hire an actual shill.  It seems a typical response, blame Democrats/Progressives/TheLeft for something but be incapable of proving it then nominate/elect/promote someone who is or does that actual thing in a provable way (sometimes in court) and defend them until death or dismemberment.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, DJL said:

I don't think she's a shill.  I think it's funny that the response from the people screaming about Greta being a shill is to hire an actual shill.  It seems a typical response, blame Democrats/Progressives/TheLeft for something but be incapable of proving it then nominate/elect/promote someone who is or does that actual thing in a provable way (sometimes in court) and defend them until death or dismemberment.

I think projecting is something the Republican party has done for quite some time. Generally when they complain about something, it is exactly what they are doing.

[billvon 3,114]

On 3/2/2020 at 4:28 AM, brenthutch said:

So you admit that Greta is a shill?

Nope.  Not reading before replying again?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

4 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

I think projecting is something the Republican party has done for quite some time. Generally when they complain about something, it is exactly what they are doing.

Here is another example:

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1234845263786840074?s=20

[turtlespeed 226]

21 hours ago, DJL said:

I think it's funny that the response from the people screaming about Greta being a shill is to hire an actual shill.  

It's comical.

It's as hypocritical as defending the extreme alarmism, KNOWING it isn't true. Then, being OK with that lie, even if its a lie, cloaked in exaggeration.  The ends justify the means, right?

[DJL 235]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

It's comical.

It's as hypocritical as defending the extreme alarmism, KNOWING it isn't true. Then, being OK with that lie, even if its a lie, cloaked in exaggeration.  The ends justify the means, right?

I'll agree with her that we're not doing enough.  I don't look to an uneducated teenager for the specifics of our policy towards global warming.  I'm assuming "extreme alarmism" means she's very loud about us not doing enough but that's why she gets press.

[kallend 2,147]

Naomi has a few stinky skeletons in her closet.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/28/naomi-seibt-anti-greta-activist-white-nationalist-inspiration

"

A young campaigner who has been hailed by climate sceptics as the right’s answer to Greta Thunberg has previously described a white nationalist who appeared to promote “white genocide” theories as one of her “inspirations”.

Naomi Seibt, a 19-year-old from Münster, Germany, who styles herself as a “climate realist”, has also had to deny she made remarks that could be seen as antisemitic following an attack on a synagogue last year."

etc.

[turtlespeed 226]

23 hours ago, DJL said:

I'll agree with her that we're not doing enough.  I don't look to an uneducated teenager for the specifics of our policy towards global warming.  I'm assuming "extreme alarmism" means she's very loud about us not doing enough but that's why she gets press.

I take "Extreme alarmism" as being highly exaggerated doom sayings, that are meant to stir up emotions rather than logical thought processes.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

4 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I take "Extreme alarmism" as being highly exaggerated doom sayings, that are meant to stir up emotions rather than logical thought processes.

Stuff like, if I can't own guns I cannot protect my family?

[turtlespeed 226]

17 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Stuff like, if I can't own guns I cannot protect my family?

No.

[billvon 3,114]

21 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

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I take "Extreme alarmism" as being highly exaggerated doom sayings, that are meant to stir up emotions rather than logical thought processes.

Stuff like, if I can't own guns I cannot protect my family?

Yep.  And "victim disarmament zone."  And "rather be judged by twelve than carried by six."  And  "only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun."  And "Pelosi is coming for your guns."  And "I don't want to be a sheep."   Etc etc.  Scare them/anger them as much as possible.  That helps gun sales, which directly helps the NRA, so the right wing is happy.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

20 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

No.

I am shocked, absolutely shocked that those highly exaggerated doom sayings aren't part of your "argument".

[airdvr 210]

I've always like "when seconds count the police are minutes away".

[turtlespeed 226]

54 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I've always like "when seconds count the police are minutes away".

That has a lot more truth to it than - If we do nothing about climate change - the world will burn us all!"

[SkyDekker 1,465]

10 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

That has a lot more truth to it than - If we do nothing about climate change - the world will burn us all!"

Specially for people without an ability to think much further ahead than a couple of minutes.

[billvon 3,114]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

That has a lot more truth to it than - If we do nothing about climate change - the world will burn us all!"

So in other words, you prefer extreme alarmism only when it supports your ideology.