covid-19

[Westerly 61]

So how about this new covid management plan? It looks like the new national strategy is heard immunity, also known as absolutely no plan at all. Open everything up and let everyone just get infected. meanwhile antibody testing at a national level has relieved that only about 10% of the population has been infected with Covid so far so we're only about 1/10th of the way there and already have 210,000 deaths.

I dont know why we had to wait until now to do this. If the plan is 'fuck everyone, just let the virus do its thing' we could have done that from the start and avoided all these costly shutdowns.

Meanwhile, many starts are already on a head start. Several states have completely lifted all mask mandates and fully reopened all parts of the economy with absolutely no restrictions at all. I suspect the 2nd wave is going to make the first look like a joke and we're going to be right back to hardcore lock down in December, but now with 400,000 deaths instead of 200,000.

It's funny how an organism completely void of all intelligence and reasoning ability is able to completely outsmart an entire country by exploiting the natural idiocy of people that convinces them to do retarded things.

Edited September 28, 2020 by Westerly

[SkyDekker 1,465]

23 minutes ago, Westerly said:

It's funny how an organism completely void of all intelligence and reasoning ability is able to completely outsmart an entire country by exploiting the natural idiocy of people that convinces them to do retarded things.

The election was 4 years ago. 

[JoeWeber 2,836]

On 9/22/2020 at 11:30 PM, jakee said:

It's the exact statement that I was initially responding to. That's the opposite of a strawman.

Negative. You morphed a Hillary machine thing into a Dems are desperate thing owing to an Obama thing. Strawman.

[gowlerk 2,251]

2 hours ago, Westerly said:

It's funny how an organism completely void of all intelligence and reasoning ability is able to completely outsmart an entire country by exploiting the natural idiocy of people that convinces them to do retarded things.

I'm expecting that the US/Canada border will remain mostly closed for several more months. We are also seeing an increase in both infection and stupidity here, but not at anything near the level you have.

[wmw999 2,545]

In other news, the city of Manaus, in the Brazilian state of Amazonas, may actually have reached herd immunity. By, of course, following what the Brazilian president suggested, which was absolutely nothing. They had nearly 2500 deaths (it's a remote area, and Brazil in general has more outdoor jobs than the US), and the death rate has fallen dramatically. story

With the quick startup in deaths in NYC, we were never going to be that lackadaisical and just let stuff happen. And other cities in Brazil, less remote and more crowded, have not had the same thing happen.

Wendy P.

[jakee 1,564]

9 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Negative. You morphed a Hillary machine thing into a Dems are desperate thing owing to an Obama thing. Strawman.

Read the fucking thread.

 

At least I know that you're one of the guys who won't have a problem admitting you made a mistake.

[JoeWeber 2,836]

On 9/22/2020 at 11:30 PM, jakee said:

It's the exact statement that I was initially responding to. That's the opposite of a strawman.

Jakee, it went sideway's when you put the cart before the horse here: "Hillary was nominated because most voters wanted Hillary to be president."  The way it works in America is first you are nominated by your party and then you are voted for by the voters. I suppose you could argue that the nominating process is driven by the predicted will of the people but it wouldn't go unchallenged.

 

[jakee 1,564]

12 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Jakee, it went sideway's when you put the cart before the horse here: "Hillary was nominated because most voters wanted Hillary to be president."  The way it works in America is first you are nominated by your party and then you are voted for by the voters. I suppose you could argue that the nominating process is driven by the predicted will of the people but it wouldn't go unchallenged.

First, context. Most Primary voters wanted Hillary to be president. Second, relevance. What does that have to do with you wrongly accusing me of a strawman argument?

 

Am I wrong? Are you one of the guys who can't admit to a mistake?

[JoeWeber 2,836]

5 hours ago, jakee said:

First, context. Most Primary voters wanted Hillary to be president. Second, relevance. What does that have to do with you wrongly accusing me of a strawman argument?

 

Am I wrong? Are you one of the guys who can't admit to a mistake?

I said: Hillary was nominated by her powerful political machine that precluded the possibility of a more viable challenger to Trump. 

You said: That’s just another way of saying she ran a better campaign than anyone else. 

I disagree. Furthermore, just because someone disagrees with you or your rewrite of their thoughts does not mean they need to pass some fucking Jakee litmus test for integrity to continue here. 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

3 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I said: Hillary was nominated by her powerful political machine that precluded the possibility of a more viable challenger to Trump. 

You said: That’s just another way of saying she ran a better campaign than anyone else. 

I disagree. Furthermore, just because someone disagrees with you or your rewrite of their thoughts does not mean they need to pass some fucking Jakee litmus test for integrity to continue here. 

Well, she did run a better campaign. Part of what made it better was the support she got from the DNC that others didn't.

And who would have been more viable? 
Sanders? 

And I think you lose the "Wendy Challenge" for today (and with that comment, so do I).

[jakee 1,564]

19 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I said: Hillary was nominated by her powerful political machine that precluded the possibility of a more viable challenger to Trump. 

You said: That’s just another way of saying she ran a better campaign than anyone else. 

I disagree. Furthermore, just because someone disagrees with you or your rewrite of their thoughts does not mean they need to pass some fucking Jakee litmus test for integrity to continue here. 

What does any of that have to do with you wrongly accusing me of using a strawman argument?

 

I guess you are one of the people who can't admit to making a mistake. That's disappointing.

[kallend 2,107]

The "Trump Must Go" thread was locked because of constant bickering by two people.

[gowlerk 2,251]

16 minutes ago, kallend said:

The "Trump Must Go" thread was locked because of constant bickering by two people.

The War of 2020?

[Westerly 61]

there is nothing to discuss with the election. Polls show a 97% chance of Binen winning. it's a done deal. i wonder how many lives will be saved by having someone who takes covid seriously in charge?

[yoink 321]

17 minutes ago, Westerly said:

there is nothing to discuss with the election. Polls show a 97% chance of Binen winning. it's a done deal. 

That's the type of attitude that actually scares me. It's one of the reasons Hillary lost last time.

 

[headoverheels 333]

Many states ended up with more Trump votes, by 1% to 4% of total cast, than the 2016 poll averages showed.  Only a few states had substantially more Clinton votes than the poll average reflected. 

 

[jakee 1,564]

43 minutes ago, headoverheels said:

Many states ended up with more Trump votes, by 1% to 4% of total cast, than the 2016 poll averages showed.  Only a few states had substantially more Clinton votes than the poll average reflected. 

True, but polling companies need to sell their product in a competitive environment. They've had 3.5 years to try to figure out why their last product was faulty, and fix those faults as best they can. They're still not going to be perfect but it's likely that they're better this time around.

[headoverheels 333]

I don't know how far back the "average polls" went.  The actual vote was affected by the last minute Comey strangeness.  I'm sure there will be no lack of last minute bs this time around.

[airdvr 210]

23 hours ago, Westerly said:

there is nothing to discuss with the election. Polls show a 97% chance of Binen winning. it's a done deal. i wonder how many lives will be saved by having someone who takes covid seriously in charge?

Glad you're so sure of the outcome.  Perhaps, like 4 years ago you'll just skip voting because there's no chance Trump can win.

[gowlerk 2,251]

10 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Glad you're so sure of the outcome.  Perhaps, like 4 years ago you'll just skip voting because there's no chance Trump can win.

Anyone who thinks Trump can't win is not looking clearly at the situation and does not understand the electoral College.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

3 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Anyone who thinks Trump can't win is not looking clearly at the situation and does not understand the electoral College.

And how many Americans really only care about hurting other people. They fundamentally do not agree with "a rising tide raises all boats".

Republicans only care about themselves at the cost of anything and everything else and Trump is the perfect embodiment of that.

[billvon 3,076]

33 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Republicans only care about themselves at the cost of anything and everything else and Trump is the perfect embodiment of that.

It's getting worse than that.  Some republicans are willing to harm themselves as long as it harms democrats more.  Look at the reactions to COVID-19.

[headoverheels 333]

Comment online regarding Sweden's approach of not shutting down for Covid19:

"I think culture is a big part of it. In Sweden, we're tired of the 2m social distancing. We wish this to be over so we can go back to the Swedish norm of 5m"

[ryoder 1,590]

Trump and first lady take coronavirus tests after top aide Hope Hicks tests positive for Covid-19

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/politics/hope-hicks-positive-coronavirus/index.html

[Westerly 61]

6 minutes ago, ryoder said:

Trump and first lady take coronavirus tests after top aide Hope Hicks tests positive for Covid-19

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/01/politics/hope-hicks-positive-coronavirus/index.html

who cares? it is expected that they would take a test. how this is news is the biggest question.

Edited October 2, 2020 by Westerly