airdvr 210 #1 Posted February 4, 2020 Get ready for a year of climate emergency declarations There is no shared definition of a climate emergency. For some it is a legal acknowledgement of an immediate disaster and a way to access money for combatting the effects; for some it signifies a commitment to measures meant to reduce the impact of climate change; and for others it is an official recognition of an existential threat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #2 February 4, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, airdvr said: Get ready for a year of climate emergency declarations There is no shared definition of a climate emergency. For some it is a legal acknowledgement of an immediate disaster and a way to access money for combatting the effects; for some it signifies a commitment to measures meant to reduce the impact of climate change; and for others it is an official recognition of an existential threat. The only mention of money or funding in that story is about cities and states in red areas of the US that have had disatsters that may be climate change related and are searching for ways of not saying the forbidden words "climate change". Your topic name is extremely misleading. There are no cities lining up and there is no "climate change money". When disasters and emergencies strike local and state governments will ask for assistance to deal with the immediate problem. If you decide to call it "climate change money" that will be on you. Edited February 4, 2020 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #3 February 5, 2020 Well, that's what you get for actually reading the linked story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #4 February 5, 2020 28 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: Well, that's what you get for actually reading the linked story. I want to see these cities get up and get in queue! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #5 February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, gowlerk said: The only mention of money or funding in that story is about cities and states in red areas of the US that have had disatsters that may be climate change related and are searching for ways of not saying the forbidden words "climate change". Your topic name is extremely misleading. There are no cities lining up and there is no "climate change money". When disasters and emergencies strike local and state governments will ask for assistance to deal with the immediate problem. If you decide to call it "climate change money" that will be on you. I think you've got that backwards.... Eighty-seven percent of American cities that have made an emergency declaration are in states Donald Trump lost in the 2016 presidential election. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #6 February 5, 2020 48 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: I want to see these cities get up and get in queue! Haha...very funny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #7 February 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, airdvr said: I think you've got that backwards.... Eighty-seven percent of American cities that have made an emergency declaration are in states Donald Trump lost in the 2016 presidential election. You did not read, or failed to grasp what I said. I'm not surprised because you failed to understand the point of the article as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #8 February 5, 2020 18 hours ago, airdvr said: Get ready for a year of climate emergency declarations There is no shared definition of a climate emergency. For some it is a legal acknowledgement of an immediate disaster and a way to access money for combatting the effects; for some it signifies a commitment to measures meant to reduce the impact of climate change; and for others it is an official recognition of an existential threat. Was talking to Scott Peterson the other day and he said something interesting. He's getting inquiries from GOP congresspeople from Florida to ask what sort of climate change legislation is being pushed. They feel like they need to take some kind of action, because their constituents are starting to see the effects of climate change in the streets of Miami - and they are demanding action. They can't be seen to support climate change action, because of people like you - but they are looking to support efforts to mitigate it so they can better represent the interests of the people in their district. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #9 February 5, 2020 42 minutes ago, billvon said: Was talking to Scott Peterson the other day and he said something interesting. He's getting inquiries from GOP congresspeople from Florida to ask what sort of climate change legislation is being pushed. They feel like they need to take some kind of action, because their constituents are starting to see the effects of climate change in the streets of Miami - and they are demanding action. They can't be seen to support climate change action, because of people like you - but they are looking to support efforts to mitigate it so they can better represent the interests of the people in their district. What effects? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #10 February 5, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: What effects? The water in the streets perhaps? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/miami-is-the-most-vulnerable-coastal-city-worldwide/ Edited February 5, 2020 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #11 February 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: What effects? A few examples: =================== It doesn’t take a hurricane to cause flooding in Miami anymore. In fact, it doesn’t even take a gust of wind. “King tides” have been taking a toll on Miami for a number of years, and the phenomenon is only getting worse because of sea-level rise from human-induced climate change. A king tide is a higher -than-normal tide caused by specific alignments of the sun and moon. Miami set daily high tide records for more than a week straight for the period bridging late July and early August, despite a total lack of storminess in the region. Sunny day coastal flooding is now routine, submerging some areas on a monthly basis when the sun and moon line up just right. There’s even a “king tide season” in the late fall and early winter, when the flooding is particularly severe. (WaPo Aug 2019) =================== KEY LARGO, Fla. — Before he leaves for work, Rick Darden, an accountant with his own firm, stuffs a long-sleeved shirt, slacks and dress shoes in a backpack. Then he heads out, clad in shorts and waders, for the half-mile trek through the seawater that has flooded the streets of his Florida Keys neighborhood for the past 82 days. A colleague picks him up at the Winn-Dixie grocery store on the main road, Overseas Highway, and drives him to the office to change. In the afternoons, he puts his boots on again and catches another ride back. “Humiliating,” said Mr. Darden, 54, describing his routine since the sea invaded the Stillwright Point community in Key Largo, leaving him and his neighbors leery of taking out their cars in the corrosive saltwater that now floods the streets. “It just restricts your ability to move out and around.” Life during the unusually high “king tides” in South Florida this fall has become a maddening logistical task for people along the Blackwater Sound, a scenic but low-lying stretch of the Upper Keys. For nearly three months, the residents of Stillwright Point’s 215 homes have been forced to carefully plan their outings and find temporary workarounds to deal with the smelly, stagnant water — a result not of rain, but a rising sea — that makes their mangrove-lined streets look more like canals. (NYT Nov 2019) =================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #12 February 5, 2020 (edited) I hadn't heard that. Good to know. Time to start investing in that oceanfront property in Arizona! Edited February 5, 2020 by turtlespeed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #13 February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, billvon said: Was talking to Scott Peterson... Uh...which Scott Peterson would that be? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #14 February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, ryoder said: Uh...which Scott Peterson would that be? I'm pretty sure it's not the one on CA death row! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #15 February 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, ryoder said: Uh...which Scott Peterson would that be? Our Congress guy. (CA-52) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #16 February 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, billvon said: Our Congress guy. (CA-52) He would probably appreciate it if you called him Scott Peters then. Since that is his name. https://scottpeters.house.gov/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #17 February 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, gowlerk said: I'm pretty sure it's not the one on CA death row! Well, that was the only one I found in a search, so it had me scratching my head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #18 February 5, 2020 Flooding in the Keys is not a new phenomenon... https://www.floridamemory.com/solr-search/results/?q=collection%3A"Florida Photographic Collection" AND subject%3A"Floods--Florida--Monroe County--Key West"&searchbox=1&query=Floods--Florida--Monroe County--Key West&year=&gallery=0&search-type= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #19 February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, airdvr said: Flooding in the Keys is not a new phenomenon... https://www.floridamemory.com/solr-search/results/?q=collection%3A"Florida Photographic Collection" AND subject%3A"Floods--Florida--Monroe County--Key West"&searchbox=1&query=Floods--Florida--Monroe County--Key West&year=&gallery=0&search-type= So, you will just ignore the fact that the articles clearly say that flooding is now occurring at time that it did not before? And the basic point that any further increase in sea level will make it even more common? Yes Florida has had to deal with floods before. And they will again. But this time they will need to deal with it by retreating to higher ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #20 February 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, gowlerk said: He would probably appreciate it if you called him Scott Peters then. Since that is his name. https://scottpeters.house.gov/ D'oh - you are right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #21 February 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, airdvr said: Flooding in the Keys is not a new phenomenon... ?? Right. Did you read the above? "“King tides” have been taking a toll on Miami for a number of years, and the phenomenon is only getting worse because of sea-level rise from human-induced climate change. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #22 February 5, 2020 How much has the sea level risen in that area? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,275 #23 February 5, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, airdvr said: How much has the sea level risen in that area? The sea has risen more or less evenly around the world. In all areas. From Wikipedia: Since at least the start of the 20th century, the average global sea level has been rising. Between 1900 and 2016, the sea level rose by 16–21 cm. More precise data gathered from satellite radar measurements reveal an accelerating rise of 7.5 cm from 1993 to 2017, which is a trend of roughly 30 cm per century. Perhaps this from NOAA will help you to understand what you have been missing. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level Edited February 5, 2020 by gowlerk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #24 February 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, gowlerk said: The sea has risen more or less evenly around the world. In all areas. From Wikipedia: Since at least the start of the 20th century, the average global sea level has been rising. Between 1900 and 2016, the sea level rose by 16–21 cm. More precise data gathered from satellite radar measurements reveal an accelerating rise of 7.5 cm from 1993 to 2017, which is a trend of roughly 30 cm per century. Perhaps this from NOAA will help you to understand what you have been missing. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level So you can't answer my question. I'll ask it again...how much has the sea level risen in this area? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #25 February 5, 2020 55 minutes ago, airdvr said: How much has the sea level risen in that area? About 9 inches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
