Impeachment Jury

[turtlespeed 226]

Isn't it pretty obvious that the senators that are running for President have a conflict of interest?

Shouldn't they recuse themselves?

 

[sfzombie13 324]

yeah, like the rest have no conflict.  no.

[kallend 2,146]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

Isn't it pretty obvious that the senators that are running for President have a conflict of interest?

Shouldn't they recuse themselves?

 

How so?  I doubt the jury will be impartial anyway, but which senators would benefit from running against President Pelosi?

[jakee 1,594]

Uh, right.

”Breaking News: Senate not impartial!!” 

[turtlespeed 226]

It seems to me that no one is taking this seriously then.

At least the respondents to this thread seem to have no faith in taking it seriously.

So why do it?

Why waste the time and money?

Just to create a black mark on a record of a guy that will be dead in a few years?

 

[jakee 1,594]

14 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

It seems to me that no one is taking this seriously then

Nope, especially not the Republican leaders who have said they will conduct the entire trial in concert with the defence team of the person they are trying. 

 

Im surprised the thread wasn’t asking whether they should recuse themselves, but whatever.

 

16 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

So why do it?

Why waste the time and money?

Just to create a black mark on a record of a guy that will be dead in a few years?

Because there needs to be some way of holding political leadership to account. Even if the system you currently have is godawful, how do you demonstrate that and maybe provoke change except by going through the system and proving that it is ludicrously unfit for purpose? Already this process with Trump has had judicial courts re-evaluating the assumed immunity of a sitting president. 

 

And it’s definitely not about creating a black mark. Trump has created his own black mark by doing illegal things. Why should he both get away with it and get away with it not being officially recorded?

[turtlespeed 226]

8 minutes ago, jakee said:

how do you demonstrate that

Thats easy!!!  By handing out souvenirs!

Pelosi is no better than Trump in my view.

Edited January 16, 2020 by turtlespeed

[jakee 1,594]

12 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Thats easy!!!  By handing out souvenirs!

What does that mean?

13 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Pelosi is no better than Trump in my view.

Why? What has she done? 

[yoink 321]

17 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Thats easy!!!  By handing out souvenirs!

Pelosi is no better than Trump in my view.

Then your view is SERIOUSLY warped.

[turtlespeed 226]

8 hours ago, yoink said:

Then your view is SERIOUSLY warped.

This is and should be the saddest episode in the US government in a long time - 

She is celebrating and handing out souvineers.

THAT is classy.  Very Presidential.

[jakee 1,594]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

This is and should be the saddest episode in the US government in a long time - 

She is celebrating and handing out souvineers.

THAT is classy.  Very Presidential.

It’s standard practice for any important documents. The Rs did the same thing with Bill. 

 

By the way, nice to see you’re taking the subject of your own thread so seriously. Way to stay on topic.

[turtlespeed 226]

5 hours ago, jakee said:

By the way, nice to see you’re taking the subject of your own thread so seriously. Way to stay on topic.

I would like to see your reaction at a jury trial where they said your accusers were also your jury.

 

[normiss 892]

5 hours ago, jakee said:

It’s standard practice for any important documents. The Rs did the same thing with Bill. 

 

By the way, nice to see you’re taking the subject of your own thread so seriously. Way to stay on topic.

It's a DC tradition, not an issue in any way.

[DJL 235]

8 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

This is and should be the saddest episode in the US government in a long time - 

She is celebrating and handing out souvineers.

THAT is classy.  Very Presidential.

I realize this sounds like a whatabout but....   Holy shit, whatabout:

[jakee 1,594]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

I would like to see your reaction at a jury trial where they said your accusers were also your jury.

This is not a jury trial. Trump’s position is that he is immune from any action from the civil or criminal judicial system while President. He doesn’t get to moan that there’s no due process in impeachment. If he wants constitutional due process and impartial juries then he can agree to subject himself to the judicial system. Simple.

 

But again, it’s not the Democrats fault that the constitution is fucked. They shouldn’t have to sit back and simply accept criminal misdeeds from the President simply because we know that the defense are in charge of the trial. That is simply an insane expectation.

[normiss 892]

50 minutes ago, DJL said:

I realize this sounds like a whatabout but....   Holy shit, whatabout:

It's as if he was autographing his work.

[turtlespeed 226]

What is that?

[DJL 235]

18 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

What is that?

A while back Trump dragged these families out on stage to for a dog and pony show about illegal immigrants killing Americans.  The families all were given photographs of their loved ones to hold and true to brand Trump walked in and autographed them and made comments about how one of them looked like Tom Selleck.  

[turtlespeed 226]

2 minutes ago, DJL said:

A while back Trump dragged these families out on stage to for a dog and pony show about illegal immigrants killing Americans.  The families all were given photographs of their loved ones to hold and true to brand Trump walked in and autographed them and made comments about how one of them looked like Tom Selleck.  

I didn't realize that happened - 

That is no better than Pelosi.

I wish both of them would stop being petulant adolescents.

[jakee 1,594]

11 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I didn't realize that happened - 

That is no better than Pelosi.

Obviously not, it's clearly both worse and a uniquely Trumpian thing to do, whereas your one example of Pelosi is simply her following standard practice and established precedent.

 

Which is why it is utterly bizarre that you have decided that one thing she did makes her just as bad as Trump, for whom we have example after example after example of crassness and lack of decorum - not to mention criminality. Which (call me crazy) I tend to think of as more important than the use of too many pens.

[nigel99 616]

8 minutes ago, jakee said:

Obviously not, it's clearly both worse and a uniquely Trumpian thing to do, whereas your one example of Pelosi is simply her following standard practice and established precedent.

 

Which is why it is utterly bizarre that you have decided that one thing she did makes her just as bad as Trump, for whom we have example after example after example of crassness and lack of decorum - not to mention criminality. Which (call me crazy) I tend to think of as more important than the use of too many pens.

I have come to realise that there is some kind of perception bias when it comes to Tuttle and Trump. A false equivalence, if a dem slapped a child and Trump molested one, it would be ‘see they both abuse children, they are no different’.

On that note, I will not be surprised if Trump wins a second term. I think Trump appeals to a fairly large segment of the population and gives a voice to those with prejudice. They are too scared to own their views but are happy to allow Trump to be their voice. 

[turtlespeed 226]

36 minutes ago, jakee said:

Obviously not, it's clearly both worse and a uniquely Trumpian thing to do, whereas your one example of Pelosi is simply her following standard practice and established precedent.

 

I didn't realize that adolescent Gloating was precedent.

Being petulant because that is what Trump would do, is not true precedent.

I would like for both of them to be better people, but if not, then at least one should take the high road.

That isn't happening with Pelosi so far.

 

[yoink 321]

13 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

This is and should be the saddest episode in the US government in a long time - 

She is celebrating and handing out souvineers.

THAT is classy.  Very Presidential.

Oh come on. Do a LITTLE research.

 

Its tradition form both parties for important documents. Cheesy, I admit. But to lambast Pelosi for it specifically AND to make out that it makes her worse than Trump is simply rediculous.

[billvon 3,111]

On 1/16/2020 at 7:16 AM, turtlespeed said:

Isn't it pretty obvious that the senators that are running for President have a conflict of interest?

Shouldn't they recuse themselves?

 

Absolutely.  As should all the senators who support Trump politically, and/or are counting on his political support.

[billvon 3,111]

6 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I would like to see your reaction at a jury trial where they said your accusers were also your jury.

 

I'd like to see your reaction at a jury trial where the foreman of the jury said "I am not going to be impartial" because he knows the prosecutor VERY well - and in fact relies on him for his support.