US Baghdad Embassy Attacked by Protesters

[jakee 1,594]

20 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

 

Whats this all about?

Iran stirring some shit. The effectiveness of Russia's online disinformation campaigns hasn't gone unnoticed. They know that simply making an allegation like this will have an effect on those that want to believe it.

[turtlespeed 226]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

Iran stirring some shit. The effectiveness of Russia's online disinformation campaigns hasn't gone unnoticed. They know that simply making an allegation like this will have an effect on those that want to believe it.

I see - so you just assume - without any backup that this is false.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

On 1/4/2020 at 3:11 PM, airdvr said:

That is the very type of thinking that the ME has used for centuries to justify their clan wars.  Your great grandfather offended my great grandfather ad nauseum

Which basically is the reason Bush Jr. went back to Iraq. Which directly led to the mess we are in now.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

52 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I see - so you just assume - without any backup that this is false.

Usually backup is required with the claim, not with the dismissal. Pretty basic concept.

[turtlespeed 226]

49 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Which basically is the reason Bush Jr. went back to Iraq. Which directly led to the mess we are in now.

I think there were many reasons.  This was indeed, in my opinion only, one of many reasons.

[jakee 1,594]

5 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I see - so you just assume - without any backup that this is false.

Without any backup of the claim beyond a statement from the Iranian ministry of truth I’m not going to pay it any mind. Why should I? Do you trust Iran that much?

[gowlerk 2,275]

53 minutes ago, jakee said:

Without any backup of the claim beyond a statement from the Iranian ministry of truth I’m not going to pay it any mind. Why should I? Do you trust Iran that much?

Well here, just take a look at this awesome website full of truthiness. It will ease any doubts you have about how D senators were bribed to make the deal happen.!

 

https://rightedition.com/2020/01/05/democrat-senators-took-money-from-iran-lobby-before-vote-on-obamas-nuke-deal/

 

[turtlespeed 226]

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Well here, just take a look at this awesome website full of truthiness. It will ease any doubts you have about how D senators were bribed to make the deal happen.!

 

https://rightedition.com/2020/01/05/democrat-senators-took-money-from-iran-lobby-before-vote-on-obamas-nuke-deal/

 

Using Wendy's suggestion of taking the opposite side and trying to disprove it - were you able to - or are you just assuming things using your beliefs?

[billvon 3,114]

On 1/3/2020 at 8:37 AM, airdvr said:

Your hero Barry did it for years with drone strikes. Now you're outraged.  Pot meet kettle.

"He didn't do it!

OK he did it but it's not that bad.

Obama once organized a protest.  Blame him!"

Nailed it!

[nigel99 616]

17 hours ago, jakee said:

Iran stirring some shit. The effectiveness of Russia's online disinformation campaigns hasn't gone unnoticed. They know that simply making an allegation like this will have an effect on those that want to believe it.

Reading comments on The Hill website raised a point that I hadn’t considered previously.

It seems plausible that through a proxy Iran could target a Trump owned property.

If such an event occurred I wonder how Trump would react? 

[jakee 1,594]

7 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Using Wendy's suggestion of taking the opposite side and trying to disprove it - were you able to - or are you just assuming things using your beliefs?

Jesus dude, try switching your brain on for two seconds before you start typing. How would you prove that any given person didn't take a bribe? 

[turtlespeed 226]

5 hours ago, jakee said:

Jesus dude, try switching your brain on for two seconds before you start typing. How would you prove that any given person didn't take a bribe? 

How do you disprove an allegation?

 

[jakee 1,594]

14 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

How do you disprove an allegation?

 

Yes, that’s the question. Simply restating it isn’t an answer.

[turtlespeed 226]

2 minutes ago, jakee said:

Yes, that’s the question. Simply restating it isn’t an answer.

Isn't it?

[ryoder 1,590]

7 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Reading comments on The Hill website raised a point that I hadn’t considered previously.

It seems plausible that through a proxy Iran could target a Trump owned property.

If such an event occurred I wonder how Trump would react? 

Well, except that Khamenei claims Iran will retaliate openly using Iranian forces: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/06/world/middleeast/iran-khamenei-general-soleimani.html

[ryoder 1,590]

Oh, look! Rand Paul (temporarily) found his spine again:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/01/06/rand-paul-iran-trump-bolton-vpx.cnn

But blaming Bolton, (who left 4 months ago), is just bullshit.

I'm sure he will be back to being a good little lapdog next week.

Edited January 7, 2020 by ryoder

[jakee 1,594]

10 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Isn't it?

At this point, why are you even bothering to type anything if all of it is going to be pointless nonsense?

 

[ryoder 1,590]

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Edited January 7, 2020 by ryoder

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

12 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Reading comments on The Hill website raised a point that I hadn’t considered previously.

It seems plausible that through a proxy Iran could target a Trump owned property.

If such an event occurred I wonder how Trump would react? 

It wouldn't be all that hard to do.

A competent team, well trained & financed, could easily target one of Trump's resorts, hotels or golf courses. 

In the US or somewhere else (funny that the emoluments clause would have a side effect like that).

Hezbollah has utilized car bombs throughout the Middle East. 

 

500 lbs of high explosives, smuggled in, acquired or home made, int he trunk of a car or back of an SUV would make a hell of a mess.

If Iran made a statement to the effect that they were targeting Trump himself, not the US, they could have a hell of a propaganda coup.
Trump's admission that the attack in Iraq was at his order, his threats to target Iranian cultural sites (which is a war crime), his threat to retaliate in a 'disproportionate manner', all of that puts the responsibility directly on Trump, far more than on the US government as a whole.

And if Iran attacked some of Trump's personal assets, not US government ones, that would make it really personal for Trump.
He'd go bananas. Absolutely ballistic. 

It wouldn't surprise me if he ordered a nuclear attack (yes, I believe he is that unstable and irrational).

The Pentagon has already issued a statement that they would not violate any international rules of war, in response to Trump threatening Iran's cultural sites. 
Congress is in the process of passing a resolution restricting Trump's power and authority to act.

Depending on a whole lot of things, I can see a variety of outcomes to this sort of scenario. 

From a nuclear attack to Trump being '25th'd' and removed.

 

This is scary as all hell. 

[ryoder 1,590]

2 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

And if Iran attacked some of Trump's personal assets, not US government ones, that would make it really personal for Trump.
He'd go bananas. Absolutely ballistic. 

How would we tell the difference?

[gowlerk 2,275]

These events are driving up the price of oil and with it the Canadian dollar. For once I'm hoping the CAD rise is only temporary.

 

 

 

 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Just now, ryoder said:

How would we tell the difference?

I don't think we've seen him go completely off the rails. 

Take his name calling and multiply it by a bunch.

Take his lies about opponents and multiply it by a bunch.

Take the worst of his idiotic tweets and multiply that by a bunch.

Then put him on national TV from the Oval Office. 

Calling the Iranian's stupid, racist, derogatory names.
Saying they deserved to be slaughtered (decimated to the last man ).
Saying it was necessary for the US to stand up to them, when it was clear that the Iranians attacked him personally.

Saying anyone who didn't agree with him was a traitor. Saying that the Ds were allying with Iran against the US if they opposed him. Threatening to fire any general who didn't follow his orders.

Full on 'dictator mode'. Think about Hugo Chavez and some of his speeches. 

The problem is that his supporters, which still are about 1/3 of the country, would lap it up. 

They'd be all in to destroy 'those people'. 
Like Trump, they don't think this sort of thing through.

Look how supportive they are for killing a representative of a foreign government on a diplomatic mission. 
Look at how they are buying the fact that Suleimani was a 'top enemy' of the US, despite the fact that they never heard of him before (Trump has tweeted about him once in the past). 

To repeat:

Scary as all hell.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

12 hours ago, nigel99 said:

Reading comments on The Hill website raised a point that I hadn’t considered previously.

It seems plausible that through a proxy Iran could target a Trump owned property.

If such an event occurred I wonder how Trump would react? 

The Republicans have wiped their ass with Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 of the US Constitution. This indicates why that is a problem. This leads to the US making foreign policy decisions and possible armed conflict decisions biased by the President's personal holdings.

[nigel99 616]

2 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

It wouldn't be all that hard to do.

A competent team, well trained & financed, could easily target one of Trump's resorts, hotels or golf courses. 

In the US or somewhere else (funny that the emoluments clause would have a side effect like that).

Hezbollah has utilized car bombs throughout the Middle East. 

 

500 lbs of high explosives, smuggled in, acquired or home made, int he trunk of a car or back of an SUV would make a hell of a mess.

If Iran made a statement to the effect that they were targeting Trump himself, not the US, they could have a hell of a propaganda coup.
Trump's admission that the attack in Iraq was at his order, his threats to target Iranian cultural sites (which is a war crime), his threat to retaliate in a 'disproportionate manner', all of that puts the responsibility directly on Trump, far more than on the US government as a whole.

And if Iran attacked some of Trump's personal assets, not US government ones, that would make it really personal for Trump.
He'd go bananas. Absolutely ballistic. 

It wouldn't surprise me if he ordered a nuclear attack (yes, I believe he is that unstable and irrational).

The Pentagon has already issued a statement that they would not violate any international rules of war, in response to Trump threatening Iran's cultural sites. 
Congress is in the process of passing a resolution restricting Trump's power and authority to act.

Depending on a whole lot of things, I can see a variety of outcomes to this sort of scenario. 

From a nuclear attack to Trump being '25th'd' and removed.

 

This is scary as all hell. 

Yes that is pretty much what I was thinking  could happen. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,466]

On 12/31/2019 at 10:02 AM, normiss said:

Trump has arrived at his golf course, clearly staying involved in international issues.

Hi Mark,

Well, he is involved now.

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/07/794388410/military-base-housing-u-s-troops-in-iraq-has-been-attacked

Jerry Baaumchen