Positive side of organised religion

[JoeWeber 2,941]

33 minutes ago, Coreece said:

Try some Certified Noble Kava imported from Fiji - Loa Waka.

One of the side effects is apathy.  After about 2 weeks, your anger issues will still be there, but you won't feel angry - and might even resort to using humor to express it.

After about a month, the apathy kicks in full effect -  Not giving a fuck is awesome.

Hands down, and against stiff competition, you are the least interesting thinker on SC. 

[Coreece 190]

2 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Hands down, and against stiff competition, you are the least interesting thinker on SC. 

Try some of that kava and you won't even care anymore.  I'll immediately be evicted from your head.

Oregon Kava Bars

[airdvr 210]

On 1/3/2020 at 1:43 PM, ryoder said:

I had my annual physical last week. The Dr mentioned that the CDC is recommending testing anyone born between 1945-1965 for Hepatitis C. I asked why. He just looked at me and said:

"Sex, drugs, and rock and roll."

LOL! 

Here is the text from the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/HCV/PDFs/HepCTesting-Diagnosis.pdf

That reminds me...

[turtlespeed 226]

12 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Hands down, and against stiff competition, you are the least interesting thinker on SC. 

DAMNIT!!

You mean to tell me I lost my Slot?

[JoeWeber 2,941]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

DAMNIT!!

You mean to tell me I lost my Slot?

As I said, the competition here is stiff.

[turtlespeed 226]

29 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

As I said, the competition here is stiff.

I need to manifest again, I guess.

[wmw999 2,589]

2 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I need to manifest again, I guess.

Oh dear; I kinda like the Turtle who's been posting lately. And I definitely disagree with the original assessment of "least interesting thinker."

Wendy P.

[turtlespeed 226]

2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Oh dear; I kinda like the Turtle who's been posting lately. And I definitely disagree with the original assessment of "least interesting thinker."

Wendy P.

I think that is the nicest thing anyone in SC ever said to me.

[wmw999 2,589]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I think that is the nicest thing anyone in SC ever said to me.

Whap! Don’t let it go to your head!

Wendy P. 

[RonD1120 62]

On 1/4/2020 at 4:37 PM, riggerrob said:

Dear Ron,

You are getting confused.

Since Judaism, Christianity and Islam share common roots (Jewish Torah/Christian Old Testament), that must mean that Islam is based upon fact ... er ... a similar mono-theism.

How can Islam be completely wrong if it is based upon Judaism and Christianity?

I will admit that too many modern Jewish, Christian, Islamic, Hindu, etc. extremists have distorted God’s intents to inspire their violent actions.

Jesus' propitiation and His atoning death on the cross.

His death provides eternal life for those who accept Him and His death as payment for their sin. Therein lies the uniqueness.

[JoeWeber 2,941]

2 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

Jesus' propitiation and His atoning death on the cross.

His death provides eternal life for those who accept Him and His death as payment for their sin. Therein lies the uniqueness.

Therein lies the unbelievableness. Maybe later if I'm feeling right I'll slam my fingers in a car door as payment in your favor.

[mbohu 77]

3 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

Jesus' propitiation and His atoning death on the cross.

His death provides eternal life for those who accept Him and His death as payment for their sin. Therein lies the uniqueness.

Sure. That part is unique to your faith (although, not entirely unique, because judging from your posts I get the feeling that you think the Catholics are pretty much of the devil--as many born-agains do--and they (the Catholics) do believe in that exact same thing as well)
BUT: That wasn't the question. The question was: how could these other beliefs be COMPLETELY wrong, if they accept MANY of the same things...just not that particular one.

[mbohu 77]

3 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

Jesus' propitiation and His atoning death on the cross.

So, after looking up the meaning of propitiation: "the action of propitiating or appeasing a god, spirit, or person."

You don't find that in the least morbid, that your God requires his son to be killed in order to be appeased about the supposed "sins" of everyone else? Would you be in the slightest ok with it, if your earthly father demanded you be killed for the sins of (for example) all the evil Democrats that you have nothing to do with???

Yes, yes, I know...there is mystery and deep spiritual meaning, etc.--and I actually can even relate to that in some way, but: It has to have you wonder even just a little bit, about the whole morbidity and moral dubiousness of the whole thing, no?

[gowlerk 2,277]

1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Therein lies the unbelievableness. Maybe later if I'm feeling right I'll slam my fingers in a car door as payment in your favor.

 

 

7 minutes ago, mbohu said:

You don't find that in the least morbid, that your God requires his son to be killed in order to be appeased about the supposed "sins" of everyone else? Would you be in the slightest ok with it, if your earthly father demanded you be killed for the sins of (for example) all the evil Democrats that you have nothing to do with???

Not sure why either of you would argue with Ron over his particular theology. Other than that fact that he is the most annoying poster in the way he just keeps putting it out there and after a while it just starts to stink like a putrid cesspool. All religions are equally unbelievable. What is the point of disputing this one?

[JoeWeber 2,941]

44 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

 

 

Not sure why either of you would argue with Ron over his particular theology. Other than that fact that he is the most annoying poster in the way he just keeps putting it out there and after a while it just starts to stink like a putrid cesspool. All religions are equally unbelievable. What is the point of disputing this one?

Same reason a dog circles before lying down, I reckon.

[gowlerk 2,277]

20 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Same reason a dog circles before lying down, I reckon.

So I Googled that. And what do you know? It’s about right.

 

Turning in circles before lying down is an act of self-preservation in that the dog may innately know that he needs to position himself in a certain way to ward off an attack in the wild. ... So, like their ancestors, our dogs turn around a few times before lying down.

 

 

[mbohu 77]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

Not sure why either of you would argue with Ron over his particular theology. Other than that fact that he is the most annoying poster in the way he just keeps putting it out there and after a while it just starts to stink like a putrid cesspool. All religions are equally unbelievable. What is the point of disputing this one?

I'm sure arguing is useless, but when you have over 5 Billion people believe in one of these religions, it may be interesting to understand just a little bit more about them.
I'm not interested in disputing, but it may be that he will respond in a way that reveals something I didn't know before. If you talk about pointlessness: the discussions between you and Joe on the one side and Ron and (sometimes) Coreece seems to be the pinnacle of pointlessness, no? (not saying that other posts of yours aren't interesting or that I don't agree with many) but the back and forth personal attacks and belittling?! What exactly is the point?

[RonD1120 62]

8 hours ago, mbohu said:

Sure. That part is unique to your faith (although, not entirely unique, because judging from your posts I get the feeling that you think the Catholics are pretty much of the devil--as many born-agains do--and they (the Catholics) do believe in that exact same thing as well)
BUT: That wasn't the question. The question was: how could these other beliefs be COMPLETELY wrong, if they accept MANY of the same things...just not that particular one.

Salvation is not based on intellectual reasoning. It is based on surrender to God's plan. He gave His Son as the ultimate perfect sacrifice to absolve man's sin. In order to be saved, you have to know you are lost. The Bible says that we all have sinned and fall short.

[JoeWeber 2,941]

7 hours ago, mbohu said:

I'm sure arguing is useless, but when you have over 5 Billion people believe in one of these religions, it may be interesting to understand just a little bit more about them.
I'm not interested in disputing, but it may be that he will respond in a way that reveals something I didn't know before. If you talk about pointlessness: the discussions between you and Joe on the one side and Ron and (sometimes) Coreece seems to be the pinnacle of pointlessness, no? (not saying that other posts of yours aren't interesting or that I don't agree with many) but the back and forth personal attacks and belittling?! What exactly is the point?

Well, that is the 5 Billion person question, no? I have no expectation that either Ron, Coreece or any other committed believer of any Theism will succumb to my arguments.  I do however think it's useful to point out the glaring hypocrisies they rely upon and to show that it's not just a benign thing enjoyed by happy folks who mean no harm to others.

They commit a panoply of sins, too many, I think. So mostly I prefer to stick to just a few: harm to women and girls, harm to gay's and their families, harm to the environment and that they are paying for it all with tax policy that we all subsidize.

The worlds a different place now with communications as they are and while they're still selling that nonsense view they're having far less success. That's the point.

[turtlespeed 226]

8 hours ago, mbohu said:

(not saying that other posts of yours aren't interesting or that I don't agree with many) but the back and forth personal attacks and belittling?! What exactly is the point?

THAT has become the necessary way of attempting to communicate for a few here.  I used to do that A LOT.  I do my best not to anymore.

 

[normiss 897]

10 hours ago, mbohu said:

So, after looking up the meaning of propitiation: "the action of propitiating or appeasing a god, spirit, or person."

You don't find that in the least morbid, that your God requires his son to be killed in order to be appeased about the supposed "sins" of everyone else? Would you be in the slightest ok with it, if your earthly father demanded you be killed for the sins of (for example) all the evil Democrats that you have nothing to do with???

Yes, yes, I know...there is mystery and deep spiritual meaning, etc.--and I actually can even relate to that in some way, but: It has to have you wonder even just a little bit, about the whole morbidity and moral dubiousness of the whole thing, no?

Just eat the flesh and drink the blood already!

 

[gowlerk 2,277]

10 hours ago, mbohu said:

If you talk about pointlessness: the discussions between you and Joe on the one side and Ron and (sometimes) Coreece seems to be the pinnacle of pointlessness, no?

Yes.

[turtlespeed 226]

50 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Yes.

Good!  Now that that is settled, can we get back to the Positive Side of Organized Religion?

[gowlerk 2,277]

6 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Good!  Now that that is settled, can we get back to the Positive Side of Organized Religion?

Sure. And just what is that in your view?

 

[JoeWeber 2,941]

3 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Good!  Now that that is settled, can we get back to the Positive Side of Organized Religion?

So one positive side of driving twice the speed limit is you get there in half the time, right? It's also big fun and, if you're in high school, chicks dig it. Limiting the dialog to list making might make some feel warm and fuzzy but it is hardly a conversation.