airdvr 210 #1 Posted December 18, 2019 https://www.forbes.com/sites/greggardner/2019/12/17/tesla-gm-lose-bid-to-raise-ceiling-for-federal-ev-tax-credit/#66fb28cc616f Oh the humanity...no more tax credits for wealthy guys and their golf carts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #2 December 18, 2019 You think that's bad, just you wait for the 400% increase in liquor taxes. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #3 December 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, normiss said: You think that's bad, just you wait for the 400% increase in liquor taxes. THAT won't bother me one little bit. Split it in half, and do 200% on tobacco and 200% on Booze. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #4 December 18, 2019 That is what I call progress Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #5 December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, airdvr said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/greggardner/2019/12/17/tesla-gm-lose-bid-to-raise-ceiling-for-federal-ev-tax-credit/#66fb28cc616f Oh the humanity...no more tax credits for wealthy guys and their golf carts. That is what I call progress Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,941 #6 December 18, 2019 8 hours ago, brenthutch said: That is what I call progress Have you lost it completely? Have you had a decent reserve wine list in your hands lately? Ever? Some of us have long been bearing the burden of inflated pricing disproportionately and, I might add, stoically. But we all have limits! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #7 December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, JoeWeber said: Have you lost it completely? Have you had a decent reserve wine list in your hands lately? Ever? Some of us have long been bearing the burden of inflated pricing disproportionately and, I might add, stoically. But we all have limits! No I just stick to the $20-$60 range. Pay anything more and you are just wasting money (or showing off) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,941 #8 December 18, 2019 Just now, brenthutch said: No I just stick to the $20-$60 range. Pay anything more and you are just wasting money (or showing off) Or, and this might be new to you, know wtf you are talking about 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #9 December 18, 2019 https://www.onecountry.com/lifestyle/expensive-wine-not-that-great/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,941 #10 December 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, brenthutch said: https://www.onecountry.com/lifestyle/expensive-wine-not-that-great/ Yep. And at tasting at my own home I've preferred wines at the lowest end of the price spectrum. But, there wasn't a two buck chuck or anything close in the mix. Most people prefer young, fruit forward reds like Merlot for example. The best Merlots are nothing like that but many are and they are made in volume. If you don't have the habit stay clear of it. Be smart like BillVon and learn your beer although, from his recommendations, I don't think he looks at price first, either. The main thing is to take your drinking seriously. You have only one life to ruin with booze, don't do it drinking plonk. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #11 December 18, 2019 "I've spent half of my money on booze and skydiving, the rest I've just wasted." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,941 #12 December 18, 2019 Just now, brenthutch said: "I've spent half of my money on booze and skydiving, the rest I've just wasted." That's why people need to get to know you instead of judging you solely on your desire to end the world. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #13 December 18, 2019 11 hours ago, normiss said: You think that's bad, just you wait for the 400% increase in liquor taxes. stock up now and avoid the rush 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #14 December 18, 2019 I have a taste for good wine but I get a Bota Box 90% of the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #15 December 18, 2019 To get back to the topic, of course they won't increase the tax credits for EVs. #1 - They have to pay for the oil industry subsidies. #2 - The oil industry lobbyists don't want to see EVs decrease the demand for gasoline. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #16 December 18, 2019 Let's not forget corn and soybeans either. If they don't file for bankruptcy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #17 December 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: To get back to the topic, of course they won't increase the tax credits for EVs. #1 - They have to pay for the oil industry subsidies. #2 - The oil industry lobbyists don't want to see EVs decrease the demand for gasoline. #1- The oil industry subsidizes the government not the other way around #2- https://www.spglobal.com/platts/en/market-insights/latest-news/oil/061919-us-gasoline-demand-reaches-record-high-eia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #18 December 18, 2019 35 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said: To get back to the topic, of course they won't increase the tax credits for EVs. #1 - They have to pay for the oil industry subsidies. #2 - The oil industry lobbyists don't want to see EVs decrease the demand for gasoline. Nah...how about most EV's are for rich white guys who don't need a subsidy. EV's don't pay the federal gas tax for infrastructure. Majority of EV's are sold in CA. Let CA increase the state subsidy. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #19 December 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, airdvr said: EV's don't pay the federal gas tax for infrastructure. We'll definitely need to figure out where that comes from. Fuel tax is supposed to represent direct usage and everyone is OK with that because the more you use the road the more you pay because the more wear and tear you put on the road. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #20 December 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Rick said: stock up now and avoid the rush There are actually people who drink that shit? Good to see the majority of the bottles are still full. Do yourself a favour and throw them out before you have to subject yourself to drinking it in a moment of weakness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #21 December 18, 2019 4 hours ago, DJL said: We'll definitely need to figure out where that comes from. Fuel tax is supposed to represent direct usage and everyone is OK with that because the more you use the road the more you pay because the more wear and tear you put on the road. When I was a sponsored knee boarder, I wrote off a LOT of gas tax money. I miss my boat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #22 December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, SkyDekker said: subject yourself to drinking it in a moment of weakness. I'm feeling weak right now 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #23 December 18, 2019 35 minutes ago, Rick said: I'm feeling weak right now 3 hours later. . . 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #24 December 18, 2019 Quite happy not having to drink that shit. Their Northern Reserve is maybe palatable, after that it isn't worth the money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 898 #25 December 18, 2019 2 hours ago, SkyDekker said: There are actually people who drink that shit? Good to see the majority of the bottles are still full. Do yourself a favour and throw them out before you have to subject yourself to drinking it in a moment of weakness. I need to get the sled jack back to you, we should have some drinks, like usual. I'll bring some whiskey. Or beer, the Tour of Homes gave me 4 1/2 cases of the leftover VIP room stock. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
