Epoch Times?

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Seeing a lot of ads for this news outlet.  Any opinions?

[wmw999 2,584]

Well, from Wikipedia: 

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The Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper^[2] founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement.^[3] Though the newspaper has been known for general interest topics with a focus on news about China and its human rights issues, it is becoming known for its support of U.S. President Donald Trump and favorable coverage of nationalist politicians in Europe; a 2019 report showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.

They have an agenda. Everyone does, but having a foreign news source be the second-largest purveyor of ads for a US political campaign is kind of troubling to me.

Wendy P.

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What really had me wondering was this clip.  To me it looks staged.  The person in the foreground doesn't seem to be too concerned that someone has just set a fire 20 feet away.

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2 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Well, from Wikipedia: 

They have an agenda. Everyone does, but having a foreign news source be the second-largest purveyor of ads for a US political campaign is kind of troubling to me.

Wendy P.

I can't look at them as a news source.

It's just entertainment.  Its one of those places you can go, or, that you can read, and those that agree can slap themselves on the back, and agree even more. 

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1 hour ago, wmw999 said:

They have an agenda. Everyone does, but having a foreign news source be the second-largest purveyor of ads for a US political campaign is kind of troubling to me.

So what, a U.S based news outlet created 20 years ago by Chinese Americans is a "foreign news source" just because they're Chinese?

Would it be troubling to you if Hispanic/Arab Americans created a news source to highlight the anti-religious/human rights atrocities going on in their countries of ethnic origin, and then supported the left because they felt liberals/democrats would be more supportive to their cause?

And let's be perfectly clear, the pro Trump ads benefit Epoch a hellava lot more than they do Trump - they were basically investments that in the end served as advertisements for their own brand.

 

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On 12/14/2019 at 7:31 AM, Coreece said:

So what, a U.S based news outlet created 20 years ago by Chinese Americans is a "foreign news source" just because they're Chinese?

No, because many of their staffer volunteer or work for very little pay. What they have in common is adhering to Falun Gong, which is a Chinese religious practice.

At least IMHO.

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21 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

On 12/14/2019 at 10:31 AM, Coreece said:

So what, a U.S based news outlet created 20 years ago by Chinese Americans is a "foreign news source" just because they're Chinese?

No, because many of their staffer volunteer or work for very little pay. What they have in common is adhering to Falun Gong, which is a Chinese religious practice.

At least IMHO.

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with being a foreign news source.  Chinese Americans have the right to practice whatever religion they want, just like Mexican Americans practicing Catholicism, or Arab Americans practicing Islam - and they all have the right to start organizations and to promote whatever issues they want.  They wouldn't be the first organization calling for justice and the fall of anti-religious commie bastards.

Would you consider christian news outlets to be a foreign news source for Israel or Italy/Rome/Vatican?

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2 hours ago, Coreece said:

Would you consider christian news outlets to be a foreign news source for Israel or Italy/Rome/Vatican?

If the "employees" are generally unpaid and their only common principal is their shared faith/denomination, then yes I would consider it to be a highly biased news source.

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9 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

2 hours ago, Coreece said:

Would you consider christian news outlets to be a foreign news source for Israel or Italy/Rome/Vatican?

If the "employees" are generally unpaid and their only common principal is their shared faith/denomination, then yes I would consider it to be a highly biased news source.

Well that's not what we're talking about, is it?

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1 minute ago, Coreece said:

Well that's not what we're talking about, is it?

It isn't? It is for me. Falun Gong in this case has an almost 100% Chinese following. That sounds pretty foreign to me.

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17 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

19 minutes ago, Coreece said:

Well that's not what we're talking about, is it?

It isn't? It is for me. Falun Gong in this case has an almost 100% Chinese following. That sounds pretty foreign to me.

So what, it's an American news source created by Chinese Americans, they practice any religion they want.  One of their biggest messages is the human rights violations of anti-religious assholes against those practicing Falun Gong in China.  Why don't you try listening to what I've already said, instead of making me repeat myself.

Edited December 17, 2019 by Coreece

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1 hour ago, Coreece said:

So what, it's an American news source created by Chinese Americans, they practice any religion they want.  One of their biggest messages is the human rights violations of anti-religious assholes against those practicing Falun Gong in China.  Why don't you try listening to what I've already said, instead of making me repeat myself.

So what is your point? There were two questions. One, why would anybody consider them a foreign news source? Opinions have been given on that. You don't agree with it. Good for you.

Two, should there be a concern with a non-domestic focused, biased, free publication having the second highest spending on political messaging on Facebook be a concern. I think yes, you probably think no.

So, I think that in general answers the question actually asked by the OP.

So, what is your point that isn't getting listened to?

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1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

So what is your point? There were two questions. One, why would anybody consider them a foreign news source? Opinions have been given on that. You don't agree with it. Good for you. 

That's my point, it's not a matter of opinion.  They are an American news source based in New York, not a foreign one.  Maybe you're confusing them with their sister company New Tang Dynasty which IS a foreign news organization, based in Canada - so ya, keep that foreign shit out of here if you have a problem with it.

 

1 hour ago, SkyDekker said:

should there be a concern with a non-domestic focused, biased, free publication having the second highest spending on political messaging on Facebook be a concern. I think yes, you probably think no.

Yes, I know you guys have a lot of concerns about American news organizations and their support for Trump, but Epoch seems to be getting singled out because they look like foreigners and engage in different spiritual practices.

Do you think TBN and CBN are foreign news sources because they support Israel and orphans facing human rights violations in South Sudan?

Where was your concern 3 years ago before Trump or 5, 10, 20 years ago?  Are you only now concerned because they're using Trump's platform to raise money to finally be heard and spread their message against anti-religious communists?

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. . .and another thing.  The Chinese are smart, I still haven't been able to figure out their sauces.  They were wise to choose conservatives to promote their message given that the Democrats don't really seem to have a good track record lifting up minorities, just look at the black community.

What African Americans lost by aligning with the Democratic Party

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46 minutes ago, Coreece said:

They are an American news source based in New York, not a foreign one.

Sure. RT America is based in the US as well. You thinking that is a fine domestic news source would explain a few things.

 

47 minutes ago, Coreece said:

Where was your concern 3 years ago before Trump or 5, 10, 20 years ago?

I am not aware of a foreign volunteer based media source with 2nd highest political ad spending on Facebook in the time frame you mention. Do you have examples?

 

48 minutes ago, Coreece said:

spread their message against anti-religious communists?

China recognizes/sanctions 5 religions. They see religion for what it is: an effective way to control people.

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12 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

China recognizes/sanctions 5 religions. They see religion for what it is: an effective way to control people.

Ya so send them to re-education camps. . .

You got it backwards, bro.

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6 minutes ago, Coreece said:

Ya so send them to re-education camps. . .

You got it backwards, bro.

Maybe he agrees with the re education facilities being used.

Then he would have it forward.

[Coreece 190]

I don't know what's up with the Canadians here lately.  They need to ban shovels.

[wmw999 2,584]

Well, Chinese in general don't really do organized religion, from what I understand. None of the traditional forms (Daoism, Confucianism) lend themselves to going to church/temple/meeting/whatever; it's more about acknowledging forces beyond them in the universe, and celebrating symbols thereof (like the lunar new year). About 90% of Chinese are Han, so they probably see themselves as the "real" Chinese... Kind of like some Americans. So some go looking for groups to despise, just like some Americans do.

Enter the Muslims 

Wendy P.

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15 hours ago, Coreece said:

Ya so send them to re-education camps. . .

You got it backwards, bro.

Yes they do that. Not disputing that. You called China anti-religious. The state is officially atheist, though it recognizes/sanctions 5 religions. Those however are all controlled by the state in some form. When they lose the ability to control those groups through their religion, they take different measures. Hence, they aren't anti-religion, they are anti inability to control. They see religions they can control as a very effective means to control people.

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14 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Maybe he agrees with the re education facilities being used.

Then he would have it forward.

No, though I do agree with regular education. Something that obviously is seriously lacking in your country.

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2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

The state is officially atheist

'nuff said

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4 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

No, though I do agree with regular education. Something that obviously is seriously lacking in your country.

Are you inferring we should have reeducation camps?

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21 hours ago, Coreece said:

. . .and another thing.  The Chinese are smart, I still haven't been able to figure out their sauces.  They were wise to choose conservatives to promote their message given that the Democrats don't really seem to have a good track record lifting up minorities, just look at the black community.

What African Americans lost by aligning with the Democratic Party

What’s Chinese cooking got to do with it?

Although I am sure some of their sauce recipes go back many generations

[Coreece 190]

14 minutes ago, nigel99 said:

What’s Chinese cooking got to do with it? 

Although I am sure some of their sauce recipes go back many generations 

It was just a reference to a silly post in another thread.  I just think they're wise in guarding their recipes, tho I'm getting close.  I think the secret is using the right amount of sherry/mirin and reducing it properly in cat broth.