When s it OK to use the press as a weapon

[turtlespeed 226]

When you have hate for a president.

[jakee 1,593]

9 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

When you have hate for a president.

How does that equate to using the press as a weapon?

[yoink 321]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

When you have hate for a president.

My understanding is that these are open and public hearings that anyone can watch live. 

So surely it’s just as likely that Fox will he reporting on them a CNN? 

 

Not sure I see your (or his) point?

Edited November 7, 2019 by yoink

[gowlerk 2,272]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

When you have hate for a president.

The current POS POTUS uses the press as a weapon whenever he can. It's getting harder for him though. The owners of media properties have yeilded their power as a weapon for as long as they have had power. WTF are you talking about?

[turtlespeed 226]

On 11/7/2019 at 10:14 AM, gowlerk said:

The current POS POTUS uses the press as a weapon whenever he can. It's getting harder for him though. The owners of media properties have yeilded their power as a weapon for as long as they have had power. WTF are you talking about?

Are you unclear that CNN has an agenda?

[mistercwood 287]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Are you unclear that CNN has an agenda?

Yes, selling ad-space. For quite a while they angled on the anti-Trump side, which got them targeted by the Prez. Eventually they decided they didn't like the name calling and started doing much more positive coverage of Trump in order to seem "balanced", which hasn't done them any favours as he still shits on them on a semi-regular basis.

No one from either side takes CNN seriously anymore, really.

Edited November 29, 2019 by mistercwood

[jakee 1,593]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Are you unclear that CNN has an agenda?

Lol, you've had all this time to think about it and thats the best you can come up with to justify your original post? Ok then.

 

By the way, how about phoning into Fox and lying for an hour. Does that count as using the press as a weapon?

[turtlespeed 226]

On 11/29/2019 at 1:38 AM, jakee said:

Lol, you've had all this time to think about it and thats the best you can come up with to justify your original post? Ok then.

 

By the way, how about phoning into Fox and lying for an hour. Does that count as using the press as a weapon?

That would count as lying.

Fox airing the conversation, as an agenda is different.

Surely, even you can see that.

[jakee 1,593]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

That would count as lying.

And using the press as a weapon to disseminate those lies. Unlike your original example which doesn't appear to have anything to do with the subject.

 

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Fox airing the conversation, as an agenda is different.

Surely, even you can see that.

That the politician phoning into the show is different to the people running the show? Yeah, no shit Sherlock. What's your point?

[turtlespeed 226]

7 hours ago, jakee said:

And using the press as a weapon to disseminate those lies. Unlike your original example which doesn't appear to have anything to do with the subject.

 

That the politician phoning into the show is different to the people running the show? Yeah, no shit Sherlock. What's your point?

It's pretty simple - 

 

[jakee 1,593]

7 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

It's pretty simple - 

 

Then you should be able to say what it is.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

7 hours ago, jakee said:

Then you should be able to say what it is.

He'd have to have an actual point, not just be trolling.

[turtlespeed 226]

9 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

He'd have to have an actual point, not just be trolling.

That's not the only option.

[billvon 3,107]

20 hours ago, jakee said:

Then you should be able to say what it is.

Why?  He certainly got you going, and that seems to be his goal.

[turtlespeed 226]

43 minutes ago, billvon said:

Why?  He certainly got you going, and that seems to be his goal.

Not at all. 

But I don't feel like I owe him an explanation.

[billvon 3,107]

31 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Not at all. 

But I don't feel like I owe him an explanation.

Then you wouldn't have answered him.

[jakee 1,593]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Not at all. 

But I don't feel like I owe him an explanation.

Here's the thing - you started this thread, presumably because there was some kind of point you wanted to make and presumably because you wanted to discuss it. Now you don't want to even tell anyone what that point was?

 

You get why I'm laughing at you right now, don't you?

[gowlerk 2,272]

In politics it is always okay to use the press as a weapon. It is the essence of politics. How well you can do it is a huge part of success in politics. For example, Trump is a master at it.

[turtlespeed 226]

On 12/4/2019 at 9:37 AM, gowlerk said:

In politics it is always okay to use the press as a weapon. It is the essence of politics. How well you can do it is a huge part of success in politics. For example, Trump is a master at it.

I partly disagree.  But MOSTLY agree with this.

"Always" is not correct in my way of thinking.

Its normalized deviance from the spirit of what the 1st amendment stands for. 

[jakee 1,593]

43 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Its normalized deviance from the spirit of what the 1st amendment stands for. 

What is? As in your original example you can use the press as a weapon just by uncovering the truth about what someone has been doing. That's exactly what the 1st Amendment stands for.

[turtlespeed 226]

6 hours ago, jakee said:

What is? As in your original example you can use the press as a weapon just by uncovering the truth about what someone has been doing. That's exactly what the 1st Amendment stands for.

Not when its used as a political agenda.

That is not the spirit of the 1st amendment.

Being able to publish and expose impartially, yes.

 

[gowlerk 2,272]

23 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Not when its used as a political agenda.

That is not the spirit of the 1st amendment.

Being able to publish and expose impartially, yes.

 

What are you talking about? The question has nothing to do with the 1st or it's "spirit". Media is used as a weapon worldwide where ever it can be. It is a weapon, it is a tool, and EVERYONE uses it. Your original post seems to say it is the exclusive tool of Trump's enemies. Perhaps you could acknowledge your fundamental error now.

[jakee 1,593]

6 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Not when its used as a political agenda.

That is not the spirit of the 1st amendment.

Being able to publish and expose impartially, yes.

Lol what? You have a problem with news outlets telling the truth? Get over it, snowflake.

 

The 1st amendment lets you tell all of us what your political beliefs are. It lets you write them down and publish them so you can tell more people. It lets you write down and distribute what you think about current events through the lens of your politics. But you shouldn't be able to do that if you're part of a media outlet, even when what you're saying is true and accurate?

Edited December 10, 2019 by jakee

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

9 hours ago, jakee said:

Lol what? You have a problem with news outlets telling the truth? Get over it, snowflake.

 

The 1st amendment lets you tell all of us what your political beliefs are. It lets you write them down and publish them so you can tell more people. It lets you write down and distribute what you think about current events through the lens of your politics. But you shouldn't be able to do that if you're part of a media outlet, even when what you're saying is true and accurate?

No. You shouldn't be able to do that when you criticize someone he likes.

Duh.

 

As a side note, the founders seriously contemplated extending 'freedom of the press' to include immunity from libel. The basic idea was that people were smart enough to see through lies and propaganda.

Good thing they didn't follow through on that.

However, it's absolutely hilarious to see Trump, Nunes, and the rest of the "Alt-right" make threats to sue the press (NYT, CNN, ect) for stories that expose their hypocrisy, misdeeds and even crimes. 
Yet virtually never follow through with those threats. 

[turtlespeed 226]

17 hours ago, gowlerk said:

What are you talking about? The question has nothing to do with the 1st or it's "spirit". Media is used as a weapon worldwide where ever it can be. It is a weapon, it is a tool, and EVERYONE uses it. Your original post seems to say it is the exclusive tool of Trump's enemies. Perhaps you could acknowledge your fundamental error now.

No - your assumptions of me are coloring your inferences.

I am saying that the media should not be used by Trump.  Not as a weapon, or as a crutch.

The media should be facts, not opinions.

Edited December 10, 2019 by turtlespeed
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