Income inequality

[Coreece 190]

6 minutes ago, yobnoc said:

I'm very aware of this idea

I'm aware of the ideas in those articles as well, but I disagree with skwrl and gowlerk that evangelicals don't want Jews in the U.S and only support Israel so that it can be destroyed. 

[Skwrl 56]

5 minutes ago, Coreece said:

I'm aware of the ideas in those articles as well, but I disagree with skwrl and gowlerk that evangelicals don't want Jews in the U.S and only support Israel so that it can be destroyed. 

Would you agree that they support it because it’s necessary for Israel to exist for the Second Coming to happen?

[Coreece 190]

9 minutes ago, Skwrl said:

Would you agree that they support it because it’s necessary for Israel to exist for the Second Coming to happen?

What does that have to do with wanting Israel to be destroyed?

Edited November 4, 2019 by Coreece

[DJL 235]

 

9 minutes ago, Skwrl said:

Would you agree that they support it because it’s necessary for Israel to exist for the Second Coming to happen?

That's a big no.  No sect of Christianity is manipulating politics in an attempt to bring about the second coming of Christ.

[Skwrl 56]

1 minute ago, DJL said:

 

That's a big no.  No sect of Christianity is manipulating politics in an attempt to bring about the second coming of Christ.

Well, I didn’t say they were manipulating it to make it happen; but that it’s a necessary condition for it to happen. See also, this WaPo article.  

[Skwrl 56]

3 minutes ago, Coreece said:

What does that have to do with wanting Israel to be destroyed?

Well, here’s a question for you: according to the Book of Revelation, for Jews who don’t convert and others that don’t follow Christ, will the Second Coming be (a) happy fun times, or (b) not so good times?  
 

Hint: the answer is (b).  The whole “cast into the lake of fire” stuff for the non-believers (e.g., the Jews who don’t convert in Israel) makes that kind of obvious.  

So, it’s not that they want it to be destroyed per se, but they are OK with the consequence of the Second Coming, which would be the elimination of the Jews that don’t convert.  

[Coreece 190]

19 minutes ago, Skwrl said:

they are OK with the consequence of the Second Coming, which would be the elimination of the Jews that don’t convert.

Not sure why you're singling out the Jews - the idea is that it'll be a war between good and evil, in a time where the belief in God will no longer be a matter of faith.

[Skwrl 56]

2 minutes ago, Coreece said:

Not sure why you're singling out the Jews - the idea is that it'll be a war between good and evil, in a time where the belief in God will no longer be a matter of faith.

I'm singling them out because the Book of Revelation does, and that's what a huge amount (not all, but a huge amount) of Christian eschatology is based on. 

Pretty sure my point stands, though.

[gowlerk 2,275]

2 hours ago, Coreece said:

Nothing in those articles justifies anything you or gowlerk said in the posts I replied too.

Try (reading) again, but this time with a little less hate-fueled ignorance - it's a viscous cycle.

The hate that the evangelical movement in America exhibits towards those who do not fit their version of “what god wants “ is always an inspiration to me. If you are angered by that it is on you, not me.

Edited November 4, 2019 by gowlerk

[Coreece 190]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

3 hours ago, Coreece said:

Nothing in those articles justifies anything you or gowlerk said in the posts I replied to.

Try (reading) again, but this time with a little less hate-fueled ignorance - it's a viscous cycle.

The hate that the evangelical movement in America exhibits towards those who do not fit their version of “what god wants “ is always an inspiration to me.

So because of that you guys just start making shit up by implying that evangelicals are just a bunch of antisemitic pricks that don't want Jews here in the U.S and only support Israel's existence so that they can be destroyed?

Are you going to actually backup your claim or just walk it back like skwrl?

Edited November 4, 2019 by Coreece

[yobnoc 142]

30 minutes ago, Coreece said:

So because of that you guys just start making shit up by implying that evangelicals are just a bunch of antisemitic pricks that don't want Jews here in the U.S and only support Israel's existence so that they can be destroyed?

Are you going to actually backup your claim or just walk it back like skwrl?

The point is that it's not making anything up.  Certainly that's not the case for every evangelical (obviously not your stated position, and you're an evangelical) but I think the point is that it's a pretty common sentiment among evangelicals.  Of course it's only ever implied - not spoken aloud.  That would damage their brand.  But, the neat little trick that Evangelicals have is that if you don't like the teachings of the First Baptist Church of Podunkville, or the First Methodist, or Presbyterian - you can always branch off and start the Second Baptist/Methodist/Presbyterian church, thus allowing for seemingly plausible deniability that sounds a lot like "Hey, that's bigoted - they don't teach that at MY church!  Stop denigrating evangelicals!"

Edited November 4, 2019 by yobnoc
Edited out Michigan to be more inclusive

[wmw999 2,588]

1 hour ago, Coreece said:

So because of that you guys just start making shit up by implying that evangelicals are just a bunch of antisemitic pricks that don't want Jews here in the U.S and only support Israel's existence so that they can be destroyed?

Are you going to actually backup your claim or just walk it back like skwrl?

I doubt there are a significant number of evangelical Christians who pray for Israel to be destroyed. Just as there probably aren’t a lot who pray daily for death, or the death of their loved ones.

But there might be a significant number who hope for the second coming, just as they hope they and their kin go to Heaven. 

The fact that something bad to us has to happen for those things is the divide. How one focuses one’s analysis might be a reflection of how they view the topic. 

Kind of like politics and what’s going on with the president. Or whether Muslims should be allowed in government. Or whether the Patriots and St Tom Brady are good or bad. We all know the NY Yankees are bad 

They’re yanking your chain, and you’re providing the desired reaction. Quit — you’re smarter and more insightful than that. 

Wendy P. 

[JoeWeber 2,940]

22 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

I doubt there are a significant number of evangelical Christians who pray for Israel to be destroyed. Just as there probably aren’t a lot who pray daily for death, or the death of their loved ones.

But there might be a significant number who hope for the second coming, just as they hope they and their kin go to Heaven. 

The fact that something bad to us has to happen for those things is the divide. How one focuses one’s analysis might be a reflection of how they view the topic. 

Kind of like politics and what’s going on with the president. Or whether Muslims should be allowed in government. Or whether the Patriots and St Tom Brady are good or bad. We all know the NY Yankees are bad 

They’re yanking your chain, and you’re providing the desired reaction. Quit — you’re smarter and more insightful than that. 

Wendy P. 

Wendy, I'm sorry but that's a crock. You can't know any of what you claim to doubt or reduce to probably's or might's.  

You wrote: "The fact that something bad to us has to happen for those things is the divide. How one focuses one’s analysis might be a reflection of how they view the topic." That could mean anything.

No one is yanking his chain. He's angry, defensive and combative. Why? That's easy, he's holding an empty bag. He knows it and he knows he cannot give a millimeter or his entire blame us game will fall to pieces. So he rears up and snarls.

Based on Coreece's posts, in particular the ones way back where he was lamenting that those who were most familiar to him, who were a part of so many of his great memories, but who were now vexing him I am convinced he is doubting his faith. 

 

 

Edited November 4, 2019 by JoeWeber
Blame DJL. I was happily retired and that asshole gave me a merit.

[Coreece 190]

What the hell is this, a fucking intervention?

[yobnoc 142]

27 minutes ago, Coreece said:

What the hell is this, a fucking intervention?

[gowlerk 2,275]

4 hours ago, Coreece said:

So because of that you guys just start making shit up by implying that evangelicals are just a bunch of antisemitic pricks that don't want Jews here in the U.S and only support Israel's existence so that they can be destroyed?

Are you going to actually backup your claim or just walk it back like skwrl?

I don’t have a lot of time to research right now. But start here and I’ll see if I can do better tomorrow.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/08/22/how-anti-semitic-beliefs-have-quietly-taken-hold-among-some-evangelical-christians/?outputType=amp

[JoeWeber 2,940]

1 hour ago, Coreece said:

What the hell is this, a fucking intervention?

Yes, angry Christian. 8 words and a Hell and a Fucking to make your point. Dude, think about the millions who have set aside those old ideas to be welcomed into the loving embrace of rationality and proven truths. You already curse like an athiest, tell the truth, can you drink like one?

Edited November 5, 2019 by JoeWeber
Screw DJL

[normiss 897]

8 hours ago, Coreece said:

Nothing in those articles justifies anything you or gowlerk said in the posts I replied too.

Try (reading) again, but this time with a little less hate-fueled ignorance - it's a viscous cycle.

Thick and sticky indeed.

[Coreece 190]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

I don’t have a lot of time to research right now. But start here and I’ll see if I can do better tomorrow.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/08/22/how-anti-semitic-beliefs-have-quietly-taken-hold-among-some-evangelical-christians/?outputType=amp

Ok, so from your article:

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Historically, evangelicals have thought of themselves as very good friends of the Jews, not as anti-Semites. The two faiths share the Old Testament and basic watchwords of tolerance such as loving your neighbor as yourself. Evangelicals often think fondly of Jews as their religious forebears — after all, Christ’s early followers were Jews of 2,000 years ago — even if they think Jews are missing the crucial Jesus part of the story. Major evangelical publications regularly denounce anti-Semitism as evil, in the strongest terms.

And evangelicals tend to fiercely defend and embrace the state of Israel, a Jewish nation, because of its central role in their own faith. The nation is the site of Christian holy spots, including the places where Christians believe Jesus was crucified and resurrected. Certain interpretations of Revelation say that Jewish presence in Israel is important for Christians, because it will take the homecoming of Jews to the land of Israel to bring about the return of the Messiah.

 

As warm and fuzzy as that all is, I'd agree that that's pretty much the common sentiment shared among the vast majority of evangelicals - and Christians in general.

The article then goes on to talk about some antisemitic pastors and a couple of youtube sensations.  They mentioned  "Christian identity," like the hate group with like 17 churches in a handful of States, and declining.

[RonD1120 62]

8 hours ago, Coreece said:

Ok, so from your article:

As warm and fuzzy as that all is, I'd agree that that's pretty much the common sentiment shared among the vast majority of evangelicals - and Christians in general.

The article then goes on to talk about some antisemitic pastors and a couple of youtube sensations.  They mentioned  "Christian identity," like the hate group with like 17 churches in a handful of States, and declining.

As usual, the Luciferian types are picking at minutiae without an understanding of the big picture. Namely, it is the Biblical prophecy in the Book of Daniel and likewise in the Revelation of John they do not grasp with true discernment. They are unable because of training, lifestyle and peer support.

Again it is linear thinking opposing spherical or conceptual thinking. It is a difference in the levels of consciousness. 

Assuming it has not already happened, the Holy Spirit will bring them to the eternal decision point.

As Paul instructed, we are only to preach Christ and Him crucified.

[jakee 1,595]

22 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

Again it is linear thinking opposing spherical or conceptual thinking. It is a difference in the levels of consciousness.

That’s actually exactly right. Lines are open ended. They go somewhere. One can travel along that line, learning and growing as they go.

 

Spheres on the other hand are enclosed, limited. And you certainly do demonstrate quite regularly that you’re unwilling to comprehend anything outside of your bubble.

[RonD1120 62]

29 minutes ago, jakee said:

That’s actually exactly right. Lines are open ended. They go somewhere. One can travel along that line, learning and growing as they go.

 

Spheres on the other hand are enclosed, limited. And you certainly do demonstrate quite regularly that you’re unwilling to comprehend anything outside of your bubble.

Bubbles expand and this forum is a tremendous asset to my expansion. 

Kudos!

[Coreece 190]

1 hour ago, RonD1120 said:

Again it is linear thinking

Perhaps, but many of the responses here suggest fragmented thinking.

[JoeWeber 2,940]

2 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

this forum is a tremendous asset to my expansion. 

Bullshit. You're here to proselytize and, as you once posted, spread the good news of President Trump. That good news being who gives a rats ass if he's a philandering, narcissistic, self dealing, morally reprehensible, pathological liar and treasonous fool who is destroying the credibility of our nation tweet by ridiculous tweet and then off for some more golfing while China expands it's influence  in the South China Sea at the expense of our national security because we're getting our judges in the courthouse and Jesus back in the schools. Totally worth it!

[turtlespeed 226]

19 hours ago, Skwrl said:

Well, here’s a question for you: according to the Book of Revelation, for Jews who don’t convert and others that don’t follow Christ, will the Second Coming be (a) happy fun times, or (b) not so good times?  
 

Hint: the answer is (b).  The whole “cast into the lake of fire” stuff for the non-believers (e.g., the Jews who don’t convert in Israel) makes that kind of obvious.  

So, it’s not that they want it to be destroyed per se, but they are OK with the consequence of the Second Coming, which would be the elimination of the Jews that don’t convert.  

So - I'm confused here - 

Is the book that says all this stuff supposed to be literal, or metaphorical, or conveniently both when the time suits it?