This is just funny

[gowlerk 2,253]

5 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

Everyone has a quality of worthliness given to them by God at creation. Not all are my brothers and sisters. Some have a greater potential of becoming brothers and sisters than others.

That piece of rationalization just leaves my head spinning to think of it too deeply. At least you answer as honestly as you can. But I don't understand how you can stand to think that way.

[RonD1120 62]

20 hours ago, gowlerk said:

That piece of rationalization just leaves my head spinning to think of it too deeply. At least you answer as honestly as you can. But I don't understand how you can stand to think that way.

Brothers and sisters in Christ

Some may become brothers and sisters in Christ

Some will never become brothers and sisters in Christ

 

[RonD1120 62]

20 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Yeah, and 'the Devil's voice is sweet to hear'.

It's abundantly obvious that some people hear exactly what they want to hear, and pretend it's the 'holy spirit.'

Christians have a gift of the Spirit called the "discernment of spirits."

Edited October 5, 2019 by RonD1120

[RonD1120 62]

20 hours ago, gowlerk said:

You must obey the voices inside your head. But who are we kidding. If you can believe in the bible and yet deny that all men are your brother then it's easy to make "the holy spirit" tell you anything you want it to tell you. What a screwed up belief system. No accountability whatsoever.

I believe we are all accountable. We all will stand before Christ at the judgment seat. The worst judgment, in my opinion, is for Jesus to say, "Depart I never knew you."

[JoeWeber 2,839]

1 hour ago, RonD1120 said:

I believe we are all accountable. We all will stand before Christ at the judgment seat. The worst judgment, in my opinion, is for Jesus to say, "Depart I never knew you."

10,000 posts is a hell of a career and, for retiring, a nice round number. Of course you could hang on for another 16 years and go out at 20,000. And who knows, maybe by then 14 people will think what you write makes sense.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

7 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

Christians have a gift of the Spirit called the "discernment of spirits."

Just Christians? Not any other religion? 

If they really have it, it's a shame so few actually use it.

7 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

I believe we are all accountable. We all will stand before Christ at the judgment seat. The worst judgment, in my opinion, is for Jesus to say, "Depart I never knew you."

Wait a minute. I thought 'accepting Christ as your savior' got all your sins forgiven. I thought that it guaranteed your "Rapturing" when the time came. 
I thought you could do anything, and your 'personal relationship' with Jesus would take care of it. 

At least that's what you have claimed before.

[RonD1120 62]

22 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Just Christians? Not any other religion? 

If they really have it, it's a shame so few actually use it.

Wait a minute. I thought 'accepting Christ as your savior' got all your sins forgiven. I thought that it guaranteed your "Rapturing" when the time came. 
I thought you could do anything, and your 'personal relationship' with Jesus would take care of it. 

At least that's what you have claimed before.

I understand where you are coming from. It is difficult to understand the subtleties of The Word if you are not familiar with The Word. There have been many books written to address your question. 

I suggest you read a commentary on the Book of Romans.

[normiss 858]

44 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

I understand where you are coming from. It is difficult to understand the subtleties of The Word if you are not familiar with The Word. There have been many books written to address your question. 

I suggest you read a commentary on the Book of Romans.

I always chuckle when I see this from believers. You can't even explain the magic yourself.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

2 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

I understand where you are coming from. It is difficult to understand the subtleties of The Word if you are not familiar with The Word. There have been many books written to address your question. 

I suggest you read a commentary on the Book of Romans.

Actually, I'm pretty 'familiar with "The Word"'.

 I was raised in a pretty religious family. 
I was pretty faithful myself. Until some pretty obvious contradictions became apparent to me. It was, however, far more the reaction from the 'supposed wise elders' that really pushed me away. Rather than trying to explain the contradictions, I was simply punished for asking questions. 

But back to the subject, it was YOU who has claimed that a 'personal relationship with Jesus' gets one into heaven. When I asked you about actually following the teachings of Jesus and some of your behaviors, you simply dismissed it. 

Now you say that one will 'stand in judgement before Jesus'. 

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1 minute ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Actually, I'm pretty 'familiar with "The Word"'.

 I was raised in a pretty religious family. 
I was pretty faithful myself. Until some pretty obvious contradictions became apparent to me. It was, however, far more the reaction from the 'supposed wise elders' that really pushed me away. Rather than trying to explain the contradictions, I was simply punished for asking questions. 

But back to the subject, it was YOU who has claimed that a 'personal relationship with Jesus' gets one into heaven. When I asked you about actually following the teachings of Jesus and some of your behaviors, you simply dismissed it. 

Now you say that one will 'stand in judgement before Jesus'. 

You were never *really* a *true* believer though.  That's the playbook for hiding from logic with us "usetabees." 

[yobnoc 142]

2 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

I understand where you are coming from. It is difficult to understand the subtleties of The Word if you are not familiar with The Word. There have been many books written to address your question. 

I suggest you read a commentary on the Book of Romans.

Bah-bah-bah Bird's the word.

[RonD1120 62]

15 hours ago, normiss said:

I always chuckle when I see this from believers. You can't even explain the magic yourself.

Explanation is merely high comedy. One has to make individual decisions to be attracted to heaven which increases strength and well-being and leads to eternal life. Or one continues to choose the attraction to hell increasing in weakness and leads to eternal death. 

The mind must transcend ego to change the entrainment to negative attractor paradigms.

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2 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

 

The mind must transcend ego to change the entrainment to negative attractor paradigms.

Keeble grobble worble urk to you too.

 

Edited October 7, 2019 by yoink

[jakee 1,564]

4 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

The mind must transcend ego to change the entrainment to negative attractor paradigms.

Are you auditioning for a writers gig on Star Trek? 

 

“The entrainment’s stuck in a negative attractor paradigm - the engines cannay take it Cap’n!”

[ryoder 1,590]

I knew a guy who lived up in the mountains and had a lucrative side-gig doing "discernment of spirits".

Well, until the revenuers caught him.

 

Edited October 7, 2019 by ryoder

[normiss 858]

9 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

Explanation is merely high comedy. One has to make individual decisions to be attracted to heaven which increases strength and well-being and leads to eternal life. Or one continues to choose the attraction to hell increasing in weakness and leads to eternal death. 

The mind must transcend ego to change the entrainment to negative attractor paradigms.

It takes an interesting type of mental function to be attracted to places that don't exist, much less hold judgment of others for not believing in your particular flavor of fantasy.

I'm never going to understand the religious obsession with the celebration of death. Reminds me of terrorism.

It's just insane.

[Coreece 190]

On 10/1/2019 at 7:16 PM, nigel99 said:

Some people need a belief as a reason to live. They don’t understand a world without god, it is too scary and chaotic for them to fathom. So god gives them a reason to cope and make sense of it all. Many of these people are reformed drug or alcoholics and god is the ‘safe’ drug.

All my life I’ve lived by the creed that they are harmless and not to take it away from them, but I was/am wrong. They end up breeding terrorists and fucking up people’s heads. But I don’t know the answer, because logic will never work. They are continually taught that logic is sinful and wrong.

My only hope is that by our example we can show that it is possible to live and make sense of a world without god. Happily, and no we don’t all go off raping and pillaging at every opportunity we get.

1. Denial:  "All my life I’ve lived by the creed that they are harmless and not to take it away from them."

2. Anger:  "I can't wait for Christianity to DIE!"

3. Bargaining:  "we don’t all go off raping and pillaging at every opportunity we get."

4. Depression:  "I was/am wrong. They end up breeding terrorists and fucking up people’s heads. But I don’t know the answer"

5.Acceptance: "My only hope is that by our example we can show that it is possible to live and make sense of a world without god. Happily"

 

Congrats on working through your grief! 

Given that Christianity has survived nearly 2000 years of persecution from the flames of Nero to the gulags of the fucking Bolos and Bezbozhnik propaganda of the LMA and other atheist goons, I think Christianity can survive your level of benign bigotry.  Let's just hope you don't start acting on it like they did after growing weary of "waiting for religion to die."

I mean, It's not like the soviets suddenly woke up one day and said "hey, let's kill tens of millions of Christians along with tens of millions of other people that are standing in our way of "progress."

[yobnoc 142]

1 hour ago, Coreece said:

1. Denial:  "All my life I’ve lived by the creed that they are harmless and not to take it away from them."

2. Anger:  "I can't wait for Christianity to DIE!"

3. Bargaining:  "we don’t all go off raping and pillaging at every opportunity we get."

4. Depression:  "I was/am wrong. They end up breeding terrorists and fucking up people’s heads. But I don’t know the answer"

5.Acceptance: "My only hope is that by our example we can show that it is possible to live and make sense of a world without god. Happily"

 

Congrats on working through your grief! 

Given that Christianity has survived nearly 2000 years of persecution from the flames of Nero to the gulags of the fucking Bolos and Bezbozhnik propaganda of the LMA and other atheist goons, I think Christianity can survive your level of benign bigotry.  Let's just hope you don't start acting on it like they did after growing weary of "waiting for religion to die."

I mean, It's not like the soviets suddenly woke up one day and said "hey, let's kill tens of millions of Christians along with tens of millions of other people that are standing in our way of "progress."

In the age of information, I think it's more likely that christianity and islam will continue to lose footing.  There are so many churches going under in the US, I might buy one up and turn it into a strip club just for shits and giggles. 

Pretty dishonest to include your 2nd bullet point, but I understand the need to try to complete the analogy to the grief cycle.  He never said he can't wait for Christianity to DIE!  That's your addition for dramatic effect.  All the other stuff, you quoted directly; why not #2?

[JoeWeber 2,839]

9 minutes ago, yobnoc said:

There are so many churches going under in the US, I might buy one up and turn it into a strip club just for shits and giggles. 

That's the spirit!

[normiss 858]

3 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

That's the spirit!

Nun boobs?

[JoeWeber 2,839]

1 minute ago, normiss said:

Nun boobs?

Well, we need to find out if they have the habit.

[Coreece 190]

4 hours ago, yobnoc said:

In the age of information, I think it's more likely that christianity and islam will continue to lose footing. 

Atheists have been saying that for over 100 years.  First it was materialism that was going to save you guys from religion, then it was science and education and the separation of Church/State and the removal of religion from schools.  Then when that didn't work out, they took a more hands on approach and starting executing Church leaders and throwing people into gulags where they could "die a natural death."  But none of that worked out, and you guys have been banging your heads against the wall of separation ever since.

 

4 hours ago, yobnoc said:

There are so many churches going under in the US, I might buy one up and turn it into a strip club just for shits and giggles.  

I doubt your predecessors would be impressed - they just seized Churches and turned them into public toilets. . .some were turned into atheist museums, tho I can't imagine there being much of a difference between the two.

 

4 hours ago, yobnoc said:

He never said he can't wait for Christianity to DIE! 

Never?  He didn't say it in this thread, but he certainly said it in another. 

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5 hours ago, yobnoc said:

In the age of information, I think it's more likely that christianity and islam will continue to lose footing. 

[yobnoc 142]

1 hour ago, Coreece said:

Atheists have been saying that for over 100 years.  First it was materialism that was going to save you guys from religion, then it was science and education and the separation of Church/State and the removal of religion from schools.  Then when that didn't work out, they took a more hands on approach and starting executing Church leaders and throwing people into gulags where they could "die a natural death."  But none of that worked out, and you guys have been banging your heads against the wall of separation ever since.

 

I doubt your predecessors would be impressed - they just seized Churches and turned them into public toilets. . .some were turned into atheist museums, tho I can't imagine there being much of a difference between the two.

 

Never?  He didn't say it in this thread, but he certainly said it in another. 

Lots of false equivalence here.  First of all: there is no other comparative period to the information age.  So: jury's out.  Except it's not really.  See the Pew research information above.  The "no religious affiliation" group has grown substantially in the past 20 years, and churches are shuttering at a record rate, though the population continues to go up.  Makes you think.  Or maybe not you specifically, but makes a statistician think. 

I don't know what group you are referring to when you say "you guys."  I don't belong to a group.  There's a distinction you're missing.  While it can be said that the Lutheran dogma is Z and the Methodist doctrine is Y and the Roman Catholic doctrine is X (or XXX with little boys, if we're being accurate), there is no dogma that I follow.  I have no leader.  So when you say "you guys," I'm not really sure what that means.  I'm not affiliated with Stalin's regime (I'm not even a little bit Russian), and my people never threw Christian leaders into gulags.  No more than your people are responsible for the burning at the stake of young women in Salem.  I wouldn't accuse you of that, because it would be inaccurate and indecent.

Also: my predecessors...?  Again, I'm not sure who you're referring to.  My predecessors would, in my mind, be my ancestors: the Lutheran Germans who fled during the rise of the Nazi party.  They certainly didn't turn churches into public toilets or atheist museums. 

Also: I do not read every thread.  If it was said before, link it and I'll happily admit to the error.

[gowlerk 2,253]

4 hours ago, yobnoc said:

Atheists have been saying that for over 100 years.

My parents went to church when we were kids, and dragged us to Sunday school. It didn't stick to any of the 4 of us. Both my parents stopped attending years ago. We don't speak about it, but I would assume they are now basically agnostic. My children expressed some curiosity about religion because they grew up hearing about it from some of their friends, so they explored a little but soon figured out that it is a scam. My grand children probably won't even get that far.

From where I experience life, God is dead.