Ban Vaping?

[yobnoc 142]

14 minutes ago, Coreece said:

A concerned has been raised about formaldehyde when vaping a dry coil at high wattage, but what they don't realize is that such a hit taste horrible.  Even if you get some in you lungs, it's still nowhere near that of what you get from a cig.  It's not really a concern with fixed low wattage devices.

Some newer brands include other chemicals, but I tend to stick with straight nicotine VG/PG.

I used the Marlboro Markten a long while ago when they where practically giving them out for free, and I found it a bit peculiar that when I went back to my basic stuff I got a horrible headache.  It was almost like there was something in there to keep me stuck on Marktens.

The other concern I have is that vape particles are so small and can penetrate deeper into the lung, so we don't know what if there are any long term effects of that.  The porosity of paint looks like Swiss cheese to a vape particle.

The specific study that showed formaldehyde as a byproduct was maximally flawed.  They heated dry kanthal to 1000F and after 100 consecutive seconds they found trace amounts of formaldehyde as the kanthal broke down chemically.  Mose vapes don't even hit 500F, and I don't think it's possible to inhale for 100 seconds straight.  My larger devices log all that stuff.  I inhale for about 2.4 seconds and control the temperature at roughly 400F.

[billvon 3,076]

4 hours ago, yobnoc said:

Thoughts?

Treat it like smoking.   Rules on where you can do it, who can buy it and what warning labels have to be on it.

[Coreece 190]

55 minutes ago, yoink said:

Whats not Ok would be making me suck up your second hand vape. So no vaping in enclosed public spaces etc.

Apparently some people are having trouble viewing the last video I posted in reply to your response, so here's another version, hopefully it works.  It's one of my favorite moments in cinematic comedy:

 

[Coreece 190]

1 minute ago, billvon said:

4 hours ago, yobnoc said:

Thoughts?

Treat it like smoking.   Rules on where you can do it, who can buy it and what warning labels have to be on it.

They advertise vaping on TV, should that be banned like smoking ads?

[Coreece 190]

Apparently the videos aren't playing,  Just watch the movie In Bruges, it'll easily be in your top ten if you're not a fucking whinging poof.

[billvon 3,076]

1 hour ago, Coreece said:

They advertise vaping on TV, should that be banned like smoking ads?

Similar products, so it would make sense to take a similar approach.  I don't know if banning all such ads makes sense, but I'd be 100% on board with banning any ads at all targeting kids.

[Coreece 190]

11 minutes ago, billvon said:

2 hours ago, Coreece said:

They advertise vaping on TV, should that be banned like smoking ads?

Similar products, so it would make sense to take a similar approach.  I don't know if banning all such ads makes sense, but I'd be 100% on board with banning any ads at all targeting kids.

All ads target kids someway some how.

Ban them.  Let them decide for themselves.

[billvon 3,076]

29 minutes ago, Coreece said:

All ads target kids someway some how.

No, they don't.

I know you know what I am talking about.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

18 hours ago, yobnoc said:

I don't support blanket bans on smoking cigarettes indoors; if a business chooses to allow it, and it's not free-market viable, then the business will ultimately fail due to lack of customers.  If you don't want to breathe in second hand smoke, I totally get it.  Go get drunk at applebees or chili's, not Moe's pub across the street from the auto plant. 

Except I do strongly believe that businesses have a strong obligation to provide a safe work environment. 

 

This whole thing tells me that if guns came in sexy flavours, Trump would totally call for a ban.

[gowlerk 2,251]

41 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

I don't support blanket bans on smoking cigarettes indoors; if a business chooses to allow it, and it's not free-market viable, then the business will ultimately fail due to lack of customers. 

I strongly disagree with this. There are many businesses that are hard to avoid in life. 

[gowlerk 2,251]

23 hours ago, yobnoc said:

Thoughts?

Banning would be ineffective, but if I thought it would work I certainly would support doing so. Vaping has to be one of the stupidest things to come along in the last few years. What a bad idea, suck unknown products of heated chemicals of unknown origin as deeply into your one and only set of lungs as you can. For no good reason. Pure fucking lunacy. Form companies and sell the idea to the public as being somehow "safer than smoking". So what, even if it is safer, and it may not be, it is clearly a bad idea.

Since we can't really ban it we should suppress it as much as is practical.

[gowlerk 2,251]

18 hours ago, Coreece said:

Apparently some people are having trouble viewing the last video I posted in reply to your response, so here's another version, hopefully it works.  It's one of my favorite moments in cinematic comedy:

How is there anything even remotely funny in that?

[JerryBaumchen 1,444]

10 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Form companies and sell the idea to the public as being somehow "safer than smoking". 

Hi Ken,

Sort of like playing Russian Roulette with one gun having one bullet & the other gun having two bullets.  Yea, I know, one is safer than the other.

Jerry Baumchen

[Coreece 190]

53 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

Since we can't really ban it we should suppress it as much as is practical.

I have similar feels about a variety of issues, like abortion for example.  Reduce it through education, prevention and negative public opinion.  It's an option, but no need to promote/encourage it.

[Coreece 190]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

How is there anything even remotely funny in that?

I think the dialogue if fucking hilarious.  Maybe it's not really what they're saying as much as how they say it.  The version you replied to wasn't in English so perhaps the humor was lost in translation, who knows.

Here's the English version.  If you still can't see the humor, then I guess I just feel sorry for you.

[gowlerk 2,251]

23 minutes ago, Coreece said:

I think the dialogue if fucking hilarious.  Maybe it's not really what they're saying as much as how they say it.  The version you replied to wasn't in English so perhaps the humor was lost in translation, who knows.

Here's the English version.  If you still can't see the humor, then I guess I just feel sorry for you.

Well, that does help a little. The "that's for John Lennon" line works. The rest? Not so much.

[gowlerk 2,251]

27 minutes ago, Coreece said:

I have similar feels about a variety of issues, like abortion for example.  Reduce it through education, prevention and negative public opinion.  It's an option, but no need to promote/encourage it.

Even pro-choice people agree with that. Everyone agrees abortion is a negative thing to be avoided. No one encourages it except possibly politicians with their mistresses.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

I don't support blanket bans on smoking cigarettes indoors; if a business chooses to allow it, and it's not free-market viable, then the business will ultimately fail due to lack of customers. 

I strongly disagree with this. There are many businesses that are hard to avoid in life. 

That isn't my quote.

[gowlerk 2,251]

1 minute ago, SkyDekker said:

That isn't my quote.

No, it isn't. I hate the quote system here now.

[yobnoc 142]

2 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Banning would be ineffective, but if I thought it would work I certainly would support doing so. Vaping has to be one of the stupidest things to come along in the last few years. What a bad idea, suck unknown products of heated chemicals of unknown origin as deeply into your one and only set of lungs as you can. For no good reason. Pure fucking lunacy. Form companies and sell the idea to the public as being somehow "safer than smoking". So what, even if it is safer, and it may not be, it is clearly a bad idea.

Since we can't really ban it we should suppress it as much as is practical.

OK, but...like we all jump out of planes.  Lots of people think that's stupid too.

[gowlerk 2,251]

8 minutes ago, yobnoc said:

Lots of people think that's stupid too.

Well... it is stupid. But it's also highly restricted. Mostly by the cost. It is also not sold to children. (mostly) But the main difference is that there is a good reason for jumping. There is no good reason for vaping.

[Stumpy 284]

No good reason for smoking either. Let's ban that first.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

12 minutes ago, Stumpy said:

No good reason for smoking either. Let's ban that first.

No good reason for drinking alcohol.

But we already found out what banning that does.

 

People enjoy smoking & vaping.
And jumping from planes.
And driving fast cars.
And eating unhealthy foods.

Freedom means the ability to choose what we want to do. Some of those choices have risks. 

[yobnoc 142]

YES!

2 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

People enjoy smoking & vaping.
And jumping from planes.
And driving fast cars.
And eating unhealthy foods.

Freedom means the ability to choose what we want to do. Some of those choices have risks. 

And it's already against the law to sell this stuff to minors, just the same as alcohol and tobacco. 

Let's not let the government take too many civil liberties from us, eh?

[JoeWeber 2,836]

50 minutes ago, yobnoc said:

OK, but...like we all jump out of planes.  Lots of people think that's stupid too.

I hate the vaping trend. I absolutely think it's bad inhaled first or second hand. But, because I had high hopes that it would help smokers quit I decided to allow it around the DZ outside of the designated smoking areas. So far I don't think anyone here has gone from smoking to vaping to neither. So now we have vaping around, which has it's own problems, but at least they aren't smoking